Buying a new TV - Whats all the hype......

Robot Rod · Post by **Robot Rod** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:36 pm

Off to by a new TV today, and a PS 3 and was wondering whats a good choice.
What is the difference between LCD and PLASMA ( i think they are the options )
I know heaps about music gear, sweet fack all about TV's.
Anyone care to fill me in, cheers in advance.

Feigan · Post by **Feigan** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:40 pm

Lots of differences.

I just picked up a 32" Samsung LCD - V nice.

Google LCD Vs Plasma - you'll get heaps of info.

Direkt · Post by **Direkt** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:41 pm

From what I can gather, the difference bwteen LCD and plasma aren't as great as they used to be.

Plasma shows black better. LCD struggles a bit with that. I think LCD struggles a little from viewing from angles on it.

Plasma's used to have a short life span, but I think with newer technology, this isn't as bad as it was previously... 60,000 viewing hours for both now, I think...

Plasma's are supposedly better for fast moving images also.

http://www.cnet.com.au/tvs/0,239035250,240036500,00.htm

Robot Rod · Post by **Robot Rod** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:49 pm

Direkt wrote:From what I can gather, the difference bwteen LCD and plasma aren't as great as they used to be.

Plasma shows black better. LCD struggles a bit with that. I think LCD struggles a little from viewing from angles on it.

Plasma's used to have a short life span, but I think with newer technology, this isn't as bad as it was previously... 60,000 viewing hours for both now, I think...

Plasma's are supposedly better for fast moving images also.

http://www.cnet.com.au/tvs/0,239035250,240036500,00.htm

Sweet, just had a read and it seems its 50/50 really.
Im told its better to get 1080 for the PS3 to look its best, so ill have to look into that.
Ill have a chat to the dudes at the stores for a point dexter perspective !!

cheers

Direkt · Post by **Direkt** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:55 pm

For sure, if you're spending the money on the PS3 - you might as well get a full-HD TV to take full advantage of Blu-Ray and Full-HD gaming.

Polecat · Post by **Polecat** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 1:15 pm

And if you're interested in the energy efficiency of the appliance you can check on this site.

http://www.comparison.com.au/

Stray · Post by **Stray** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 1:42 pm

Plasmas are notorious for burn-in so are not good for games. Although the high end models don't suffer as badly.

mrj · Post by **mrj** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 1:44 pm

samsung lcd ftw

Stray · Post by **Stray** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 1:46 pm

mrj wrote:samsung lcd ftw

They use the exact same hardware as Sony and also have better software.

Kaiproject · Post by **Kaiproject** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 2:04 pm

Or you could be a cheap ass like me, and double-up your widescreen LCD monitor (if you have one) as your console gaming screen too.
You'd just need a VGA converter box (converts component output to vga computer monitor cable) which are under $100. Mine was around 100 but I'm sure you can get them much cheaper now.

22" WS like mine only capable of 720p but most 24"s are 1080p, and lots of them even just have HDMI input so you don't even need a converter

Size doesn't really matter to me....just sit closer, plus if you need a keyboard etc better to have a desk than a coffee table anyway

Plus you could just get an extremely large LCD monitor, like the 27" here:
http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/product ... l=en&s=bsd
Good quality (one of the only things that Dell make that is) and you'll have a big ass screen for other stuff, like music production!

And just use a HDTV card/usb from ur comp for tv and stuff I guess

Just a thought

Caleidoscope · Post by **Caleidoscope** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 2:16 pm

Get anything that is at least:

LCD > Plasma (Especially for console gaming)
1080p (FullHD) (Playstations naturally run in 1080p)
100hz (Japan made is best)

Go for something over 46" - if you buy anything smaller you'll regret it later

Robot Rod · Post by **Robot Rod** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 2:19 pm

Kaiproject wrote:Or you could be a cheap ass like me, and double-up your widescreen LCD monitor (if you have one) as your console gaming screen too.
You'd just need a VGA converter box (converts component output to vga computer monitor cable) which are under $100. Mine was around 100 but I'm sure you can get them much cheaper now.

22" WS like mine only capable of 720p but most 24"s are 1080p, and lots of them even just have HDMI input so you don't even need a converter

Size doesn't really matter to me....just sit closer, plus if you need a keyboard etc better to have a desk than a coffee table anyway

Plus you could just get an extremely large LCD monitor, like the 27" here:
http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/product ... l=en&s=bsd
Good quality (one of the only things that Dell make that is) and you'll have a big ass screen for other stuff, like music production!
And just use a HDTV card/usb from ur comp for tv and stuff I guess

Just a thought

Sounds like alot of work dude !
Good idea , but we have kids and want to splurge seeing as we dont get out much. And want to go as big as possible for our price range.
The PS3 is just an extra for a bit of gaming and blueray.

deviant · Post by **deviant** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 2:34 pm

we have a Sony bravia 40" 1080p LCD (courtessy of quick) and it OWNS....

direckt> viewing angle is not an issue with new LCDs really, the blacks are a little washed out on our screen but the model up from ours has fixed this issue apparently. doesn't wreck the experience of full HD ps3 and/or full HD TV broadcast.

DO NOT get a non full hd non 1080p screen whatever you do. size is not really the issue as it depends on the space you are puting it in really (a 50" is really silly in a bedsit for example

). Must have full 1080p to reap the benefits of PS3.

same o · Post by **same o** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 2:42 pm

deviant wrote: DO NOT get a non full hd non 1080p screen whatever you do. size is not really the issue as it depends on the space you are puting it in really (a 50" is really silly in a bedsit for example ). Must have full 1080p to reap the benefits of PS3.

i could be wrong but there arnt ny games that are actually 1080p they all 720 arnt they?

stray???

Direkt · Post by **Direkt** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 2:46 pm

Blu Ray will definately be full HD.

Zerotonine · Post by **Zerotonine** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 2:47 pm

Some games are 720p upscaled to 1080p as far as I know.

same o · Post by **same o** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 2:50 pm

Direkt wrote:Blu Ray will definately be full HD.

i know the movies are but i dont think games are.

gta isnt 1080 i dont think, i am almost 100% that no games (yet) are
1080

*edit*

just talked to a mate and there are some 1080p games but he dont know
if they are true 1080p.

i know for sure that most ps3 games arnt 1080p

same o · Post by **same o** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 2:54 pm

As the next-gen parade continues at E3, many people have stopped by to comment on their opinion of Sony's upcoming console after it was revealed that at least two of the upcoming titles would definitely be running at 720p, not the 1080p Sony has been touting as the true definition of HD. Just to clarify, no one has suggested that PS3 would not be able to output games at 1080p (well, no one suggested it until Sony revealed the $499 model would be without HDMI anyway).

After all that, IGN took a look around and has only found two games on display targeting 1080p. The upscaled-GT4 demo Gran Turismo HD, and Wardevil, showing a real-time tech demo but non-playable. It is likely that if you have a TV that can accept a 1080p input the PS3 will be able to upscale games rendered at 720p or 1080i to match, just like the Xbox 360 does. How soon until the first major native 1920x1080 game hits? That still remains to be seen

Stray · Post by **Stray** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 4:03 pm

Zerotonine wrote:Some games are 720p upscaled to 1080p as far as I know.

I don't know of any ps3 games that run in 1080p.. they are all upscaled from 720 as far as I know
The blu-ray players are just too slow (16x slower than the dvd player on the xbox360) to transmit that much data.

Kaiproject · Post by **Kaiproject** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 4:49 pm

MGS4 says 1080p on the back, as do a few others, but yeah could just be upscaled from 720p

And yeah loading times are a bit annoying as it is for 720p off bluray so 1080 would be crazy

Actually, what about Super Stardust HD? http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=77354

"Super Stardust HD lives up to the latter part of its name by rendering everything in 1080p with no hint of slowdown - even when the screen is ram-packed with enemy spacecraft, RSX-fuelled gunfire and a meteor storm's worth of unexploded asteroids. Considering the amount of activity on-screen, it's a hugely impressive technical achievement for the PS3 and the best use of 1080p since Ridge Racer 7."

Feigan · Post by **Feigan** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 4:52 pm

Stray wrote:
mrj wrote:samsung lcd ftw

They use the exact same hardware as Sony and also have better software.

Yay for Samsung!

mecka · Post by **mecka** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 6:18 pm

I just dropped a bunch of money on a Samsung 6 series 40" LCD.

SoulWhiteMan · Post by **SoulWhiteMan** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:02 pm

Let's get this clear

more inches on the screen = larger penis.

Marketing at its best.

a1studmuffin · Post by **a1studmuffin** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 4:22 pm

Kaiproject wrote:MGS4 says 1080p on the back, as do a few others, but yeah could just be upscaled from 720p

Yeah, technically they ARE outputting a 1080p signal, but the actual PS3 just renders a 720p image and upscales it. Cheeky.

Post by **breaksRbest** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 4:41 pm

Feigan wrote:I just picked up a 32" Samsung LCD - V nice.

I think that's what I'm gonna go for, hopefully in Feb

almax · Post by **almax** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 4:42 pm

SoulWhiteMan wrote:Let's get this clear

more inches on the screen = larger penis.

Marketing at its best.

my housemate has a 50" plasma in the lounge room that i get to use, does that count?

Robot Rod · Post by **Robot Rod** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 4:45 pm

We checked out a 50" LG yesterday, and a Samsung as well.
Its up to the minister of war and finance though, so i might cook something nice tonight and see how we go....

Dont wanna go smaller than 50 as my dick is quite small !

Feigan · Post by **Feigan** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 4:46 pm

breaksRbest wrote:
Feigan wrote:I just picked up a 32" Samsung LCD - V nice.

I think that's what I'm gonna go for, hopefully in Feb

make sure you call me

almax · Post by **almax** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 4:49 pm

oh and robot rod, have you checked these guys out yet? very competitve

http://www.kogan.com.au/

Robot Rod · Post by **Robot Rod** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 4:57 pm

almax wrote:oh and robot rod, have you checked these guys out yet? very competitve

http://www.kogan.com.au/

Mmmmm nice one Almax, these look aight !
Ahhh soooo many farkin choices.

this looks the biz :http://www.kogan.com.au/shop/kogan-1080 ... -hd-tuner/

Stray · Post by **Stray** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:08 pm

almax wrote:oh and robot rod, have you checked these guys out yet? very competitve

http://www.kogan.com.au/

They use older model samsung/sony panels in their TVs so while they may not be the latest tech they are still good quality.
The panels at least.

mrj · Post by **mrj** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:24 pm

SoulWhiteMan wrote:Let's get this clear

more inches on the screen = larger penis.

Marketing at its best.

I watch movies on my iPhone

almax · Post by **almax** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:27 pm

mrj wrote:
SoulWhiteMan wrote:Let's get this clear

more inches on the screen = larger penis.

Marketing at its best.
I watch movies on my iPhone

still, better than the ipod nano i watch on the tram

Post by **breaksRbest** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 6:26 pm

a while ago some (I think it was stray) posted a link to a wireless media player similar to this one

http://www.unplggd.com/unplggd/dvd-vide ... yer-044146

except it was a more well known brand (which I now can't remember)

anyone got any advice on these?

Stray · Post by **Stray** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 11:23 pm

There are new ones that send a signal to your digital receiver.
So it's like you have an additional channel.. don't know much about them though.

Lizkins · Post by **Lizkins** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 11:32 pm

SoulWhiteMan wrote:Let's get this clear

more inches on the screen = larger penis.

Marketing at its best.

nah not true cos i boasted about having a bigger screen over Fents, and i lost out.

maybe my boobs got bigger? no wait...

eN · Post by eN » Wed Dec 03, 2008 12:27 pm

46" full HD samsung on catch of the day today for 1800. Insanely cheap.

http://catchoftheday.com.au/

SoulWhiteMan · Post by **SoulWhiteMan** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 7:43 pm

A mate of mine at work said to hold tight, a lot of Plasmas are produced in Korea - currently, Korea has exceeded supply, meaning there is a "glut" of Plasmas about to hit the market.

Expect to see more prices under 2K shortly.

a1studmuffin · Post by **a1studmuffin** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 2:24 pm

The latest technology to come out that beats both plasma + LCD in lifespan, power use + heat, contrast + clarity + colour is laser TVs. I'd never heard of them until I saw one recommended in Time Magazine's Top 10 Gadgets List for 2008 and did a bit of reading up them... Mitsubishi have just released one which is currently quite expensive, but they expect the price to drop pretty quickly as more come out:

http://www.electronista.com/articles/08 ... .tv.ships/

eN · Post by eN » Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:09 pm

a1studmuffin wrote:The latest technology to come out that beats both plasma + LCD in lifespan, power use + heat, contrast + clarity + colour is laser TVs. I'd never heard of them until I saw one recommended in Time Magazine's Top 10 Gadgets List for 2008 and did a bit of reading up them... Mitsubishi have just released one which is currently quite expensive, but they expect the price to drop pretty quickly as more come out:

http://www.electronista.com/articles/08 ... .tv.ships/

"At present the only LaserVue TV available is a 65-inch model, costing $7,000." - That's actually pretty comparable to lcd's of the same size.. go much bigger than 52" and they get real pricey.

There's also the O-LED tv's on the horizon, super lightweight, super thin, flexible, higher contrast ratio.

http://www.oled-display.net/oled-television

But going to be mega expensive for at least 5 years..

a1studmuffin · Post by **a1studmuffin** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 4:37 pm

Nice, didn't realise LCDs were still so expensive.

I read somewhere OLED had been ruled out by a few manufacturers recently due to it just being too expensive compared to other methods, although I guess because it's flexible it'll probably have other applications apart from just consumer TVs.

Stray · Post by **Stray** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:07 pm

Samsung are mass producing them in 2010 for smaller devices such as laptops and phones

Post by **huge** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:24 pm

SoulWhiteMan wrote:A mate of mine at work said to hold tight, a lot of Plasmas are produced in Korea - currently, Korea has exceeded supply, meaning there is a "glut" of Plasmas about to hit the market.

Expect to see more prices under 2K shortly.

ive heard the exact opposite lol

cammo · Post by **cammo** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:04 pm

should i wait for led lcd tv's?

mixtress · Post by **mixtress** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:28 pm

FYI, did some research when I was working for HT and found out Samsung actually manufacture monitors and such for the likes of Sony, HP, IBM...so really there's no reason to go for any other brand if it's a comparable product.

mixtress · Post by **mixtress** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:30 pm

Also I think Samsung is the only company that has a No Dead Pixels Policy...if you have ANY dead pixels, they replace it. I know this is with LCD monitors but not sure if it's carried over to all visual equipment.

eN · Post by eN » Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:02 pm

a1studmuffin wrote:Nice, didn't realise LCDs were still so expensive.

Only like 60" +

They jump like 3k when going from 50" to 60", pretty nuts. You could just buy 2 50" instead..

a1studmuffin · Post by **a1studmuffin** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:18 pm

Wow that's a massive jump. Ahh, the golden rule of buying technology... buy the second best thing on the market, 2-6 months after it's out.

Stray · Post by **Stray** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:24 pm

TV Prices to soar after christmas

Now is the time to upgrade your TV!

cammo · Post by **cammo** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:10 pm

getting cheap again. anyone recomend a good place to get a 40".