Rudd won!
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Rudd won!
10 vote margin too...
good one
good one
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Meh.
Another weak leader for Labor in my opinion.
I don't think they've had a "powerful" and "charismatic" leader since Keating.
Beazley/Crean/Latham/Beazley/Rudd.... meh.
Surely it's not too hard to topple the Coalition with all the people they've upset with:
* Introduction of GST
* The "wars on terror", both Afghanistan and Iraq
* The workplace reforms, AWA's etc
* The refugee/Wimmera/Tampa funtimes
* Refusal to sign the Kyoto protocol, etc etc.
If Labor had a decent leader I reckon they'd win the next election quite comfortably. Maybe Rudd will do it, but he doesn't impress me. Seems like a snivelling spoilt brat for some reason. Typical pollie really.
Another weak leader for Labor in my opinion.
I don't think they've had a "powerful" and "charismatic" leader since Keating.
Beazley/Crean/Latham/Beazley/Rudd.... meh.
Surely it's not too hard to topple the Coalition with all the people they've upset with:
* Introduction of GST
* The "wars on terror", both Afghanistan and Iraq
* The workplace reforms, AWA's etc
* The refugee/Wimmera/Tampa funtimes
* Refusal to sign the Kyoto protocol, etc etc.
If Labor had a decent leader I reckon they'd win the next election quite comfortably. Maybe Rudd will do it, but he doesn't impress me. Seems like a snivelling spoilt brat for some reason. Typical pollie really.
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Most people only give a shit about the interest rate on their mortgage.Direktor wrote:
Surely it's not too hard to topple the Coalition with all the people they've upset with:
* Introduction of GST
* The "wars on terror", both Afghanistan and Iraq
* The workplace reforms, AWA's etc
* The refugee/Wimmera/Tampa funtimes
* Refusal to sign the Kyoto protocol, etc etc.
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for a polly i think rudd is alright
intelligent, good in interviews, doesnt pretend to be "true blue"
able to present his point of view and critisisms clearly
better than beazle
hes had good exposure recently as well, lots of time on lateline for eg
intelligent, good in interviews, doesnt pretend to be "true blue"
able to present his point of view and critisisms clearly
better than beazle
hes had good exposure recently as well, lots of time on lateline for eg
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I hate howard
do you wanna fight?
do you wanna fight?
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awww... comeon
just one fight?
its very productive you know. good for the liver too
just one fight?
its very productive you know. good for the liver too
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read the 20 things
didnt know he was a catholic
made me feel a little odd... wonder what his position on "right to life," stem cells etc is...
didnt know he was a catholic
made me feel a little odd... wonder what his position on "right to life," stem cells etc is...
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edit: (except the iraq war has inflicted hundreds of thousands of fatalities, but anyway)crikey.com.au wrote: Labor voted for another leadership change this morning for the fifth time in the Howard era. But the more things change, the more they stay the same...
- The Opposition still has to beat Australia’s most politically savvy Prime Minister.
- The Opposition still has to change enough votes of a middle class basking in house-price-fuelled prosperity.
- The Opposition still has to change the votes of enough older Australians who have been given the greatest superannuation boost in history by the current government.
- The Opposition still has to convince enough Australians of its credentials on climate change, while assuaging workers in energy industries who will lose their jobs.
- The Opposition still has to generate wide anxiety over WorkChoices without any clear-cut evidence that it's caused anxiety.
- The Opposition still has to stir up voters over Australia's participation in a war that has not inflicted one fatality.
- The Opposition still has to incite voter rage over the AWB affair that paid bribes to one of the world's great dictators.
Beazley. Rudd. Crean. Mr Magoo. Maybe the real problem isn’t Labor leadership. Maybe the real problem is the comfortable, relaxed, unvexed status quo of a majority of Australians who, quite understandably, continue to reward the PM who delivered it to them.
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those crikey points...
- The Opposition still has to stir up voters over Australia's participation in a war that has not inflicted one fatality.
umm? not one fatality? what about the iraquis? pretty shithouse voting public if only australian deaths count to them.
- The Opposition still has to generate wide anxiety over WorkChoices without any clear-cut evidence that it's caused anxiety.
evidence of anxiety... what about mass protests? id say thats anxiety!
- The Opposition still has to stir up voters over Australia's participation in a war that has not inflicted one fatality.
umm? not one fatality? what about the iraquis? pretty shithouse voting public if only australian deaths count to them.
- The Opposition still has to generate wide anxiety over WorkChoices without any clear-cut evidence that it's caused anxiety.
evidence of anxiety... what about mass protests? id say thats anxiety!
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I would have agreed with this 12 months ago, but now I think a lot of people are also concerned about the Work Choices legislation.Brain wrote:Most people only give a shit about the interest rate on their mortgage.Direktor wrote:
Surely it's not too hard to topple the Coalition with all the people they've upset with:
* Introduction of GST
* The "wars on terror", both Afghanistan and Iraq
* The workplace reforms, AWA's etc
* The refugee/Wimmera/Tampa funtimes
* Refusal to sign the Kyoto protocol, etc etc.
Just because I rock, doesn't mean I'm made of stone.
His wife is an Anglican, so he can't be a hardcore catholic or he wouldn't have married her. Perhaps he is able to have his religious values, and respect that others have different views?FoundationStepper wrote:read the 20 things
didnt know he was a catholic
made me feel a little odd... wonder what his position on "right to life," stem cells etc is...
Just because I rock, doesn't mean I'm made of stone.
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im hoping so... yeah i thought the same seeing his wife was anglican
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people are selfish
I dont feel good about "sound financial management" when i see things such as the inhumane treatment of asylum seekers, going to war in iraq, a complete failure on climate change...
i dont understand how people can be so narrow minded.
I dont feel good about "sound financial management" when i see things such as the inhumane treatment of asylum seekers, going to war in iraq, a complete failure on climate change...
i dont understand how people can be so narrow minded.
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How can people be so comfortable and relaxed when we are constantly being attacked by refugees/terrorists? :sarcasm:system wrote:crikey.com.au wrote:Maybe the real problem is the comfortable, relaxed, unvexed status quo of a majority of Australians who, quite understandably, continue to reward the PM who delivered it to them.
So true.
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institutionalised racisim makes me feel warm and fuzzy
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wordFoundationStepper wrote:people are selfish
I dont feel good about "sound financial management" when i see things such as the inhumane treatment of asylum seekers, going to war in iraq, a complete failure on climate change...
i dont understand how people can be so narrow minded.
First you get her name. Then you get her number. Then you get some get some in the back seat of a hummer!
FoundationStepper wrote:those crikey points...
- The Opposition still has to stir up voters over Australia's participation in a war that has not inflicted one fatality.
umm? not one fatality? what about the iraquis? pretty shithouse voting public if only australian deaths count to them.
- The Opposition still has to generate wide anxiety over WorkChoices without any clear-cut evidence that it's caused anxiety.
evidence of anxiety... what about mass protests? id say thats anxiety!
Solid. Take it from me, losing your job for no reason other than because the boss says so just doesn't cut it for me. I was only working there for 9 months...I can't imagine how heartbreaking it would be for someone who'd been at the same job for 10, 20, 30 years. That shit ain't right. And John Howard saying that the IR protest was nothing more than a Jimmy Barnes concert needs to take his head out of his ass.
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Brain wrote:How can people be so comfortable and relaxed when we are constantly being attacked by refugees/terrorists? :sarcasm:system wrote:crikey.com.au wrote:Maybe the real problem is the comfortable, relaxed, unvexed status quo of a majority of Australians who, quite understandably, continue to reward the PM who delivered it to them.
So true.
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whoa thereDirektor wrote:Meh.
Another weak leader for Labor in my opinion.
I don't think they've had a "powerful" and "charismatic" leader since Keating.
Beazley/Crean/Latham/Beazley/Rudd.... meh.
Surely it's not too hard to topple the Coalition with all the people they've upset with:
* Introduction of GST
* The "wars on terror", both Afghanistan and Iraq
* The workplace reforms, AWA's etc
* The refugee/Wimmera/Tampa funtimes
* Refusal to sign the Kyoto protocol, etc etc.
If Labor had a decent leader I reckon they'd win the next election quite comfortably. Maybe Rudd will do it, but he doesn't impress me. Seems like a snivelling spoilt brat for some reason. Typical pollie really.
Rudd is a well spoken person, maybe to the point of being 'snooty' in the eyes of some
But, he was thrown into a Queensland seat, one of the toughest in the country as a lame duck..
He lost his first candidacy three terms ago
Two terms ago, he wins, but by a bees dick for a place in parliament
Last election, he had a SEVENTEEN percent swing!
Something tells me this guy knows how to look after his constituants
As for a grass roots level, he grew up on a farm, his dad died when he was 10, the band foreclosed on their property and the family lived in a station wagon for quite a few months.....
Now he is heading into an election
Something to think about
My parents live in his electorate, and it is the one I grew up in, though I had moved overseas the year he first won his seat. Talked to Dad today about the possibility of his MP becoming a future PM and he was pleased. My Dad is not one to discuss his political views, so that was surprising! Rudd is popular in his Brisbane seat because he has done things like use his own money for court action against more flight paths over my parents suburb.SoulWhiteMan wrote: Rudd is a well spoken person, maybe to the point of being 'snooty' in the eyes of some
But, he was thrown into a Queensland seat, one of the toughest in the country as a lame duck..
He lost his first candidacy three terms ago
Two terms ago, he wins, but by a bees dick for a place in parliament
Last election, he had a SEVENTEEN percent swing!
Something tells me this guy knows how to look after his constituants
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SoulWhiteMan wrote:the band foreclosed on their property
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Yeah, Rudd is about as right wing as Beasley, but if the ALP put in someone further to the left, would Australians vote for them? Sadly, I think not. Besides, Labour was just as right wing under Keating and Hawke. Privatisation/deregulation anyone?
Sounds about right to me.Lenin wrote:The Australian Labour Party does not even call itself a socialist party. Actually it is a liberal-bourgeois party, while the so-called Liberals in Australia are really Conservatives.
Anyway, Rudd still seems like an improvement. Unlike Beasley, he can actually string a coherent sentence together about ALP policy and relate it back to broader issues.
Still doesn't change my opinion of him. I watch him weekly on Sunrise, and I don't trust him.SoulWhiteMan wrote:whoa thereDirektor wrote:Meh.
Another weak leader for Labor in my opinion.
I don't think they've had a "powerful" and "charismatic" leader since Keating.
Beazley/Crean/Latham/Beazley/Rudd.... meh.
Surely it's not too hard to topple the Coalition with all the people they've upset with:
* Introduction of GST
* The "wars on terror", both Afghanistan and Iraq
* The workplace reforms, AWA's etc
* The refugee/Wimmera/Tampa funtimes
* Refusal to sign the Kyoto protocol, etc etc.
If Labor had a decent leader I reckon they'd win the next election quite comfortably. Maybe Rudd will do it, but he doesn't impress me. Seems like a snivelling spoilt brat for some reason. Typical pollie really.
Rudd is a well spoken person, maybe to the point of being 'snooty' in the eyes of some
But, he was thrown into a Queensland seat, one of the toughest in the country as a lame duck..
He lost his first candidacy three terms ago
Two terms ago, he wins, but by a bees dick for a place in parliament
Last election, he had a SEVENTEEN percent swing!
Something tells me this guy knows how to look after his constituants
As for a grass roots level, he grew up on a farm, his dad died when he was 10, the band foreclosed on their property and the family lived in a station wagon for quite a few months.....
Now he is heading into an election
Something to think about
(EDIT: I obviously don't know the man. And you obviously can't trust many politicians. I just don't like what I see when I watch Rudd interviewed.)
PS: I'm not exactly pro-Howard. And definately not pro-Beazley.
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Yeah, I know what you mean. Keating definately put forward a lot of Neo-Liberal policies, like deregulation, floating the dollar, removing the protetction of enterprise at home (through heavy subsidies from government going)Kilgore_Trout wrote:
Yeah, Rudd is about as right wing as Beasley, but if the ALP put in someone further to the left, would Australians vote for them? Sadly, I think not. Besides, Labour was just as right wing under Keating and Hawke. Privatisation/deregulation anyone?
The difference I feel is the way the Liberal party functions as a collective, being leaders for so long, they have a very 'we're right....why are we right?.... because we said so - fuck off!' ; they have a very arrogant demeanor, and I believe this pisses a lot on the left and centre off a lot.
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