Rudd won!
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:45 pm
10 vote margin too...
good one
good one
Yay.
is 10 votes a lot?
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:40 pm
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:48 pm
Meh.
Another weak leader for Labor in my opinion.
I don't think they've had a "powerful" and "charismatic" leader since Keating.
Beazley/Crean/Latham/Beazley/Rudd.... meh.
Surely it's not too hard to topple the Coalition with all the people they've upset with:
* Introduction of GST
* The "wars on terror", both Afghanistan and Iraq
* The workplace reforms, AWA's etc
* The refugee/Wimmera/Tampa funtimes
* Refusal to sign the Kyoto protocol, etc etc.
If Labor had a decent leader I reckon they'd win the next election quite comfortably. Maybe Rudd will do it, but he doesn't impress me. Seems like a snivelling spoilt brat for some reason. Typical pollie really.
Another weak leader for Labor in my opinion.
I don't think they've had a "powerful" and "charismatic" leader since Keating.
Beazley/Crean/Latham/Beazley/Rudd.... meh.
Surely it's not too hard to topple the Coalition with all the people they've upset with:
* Introduction of GST
* The "wars on terror", both Afghanistan and Iraq
* The workplace reforms, AWA's etc
* The refugee/Wimmera/Tampa funtimes
* Refusal to sign the Kyoto protocol, etc etc.
If Labor had a decent leader I reckon they'd win the next election quite comfortably. Maybe Rudd will do it, but he doesn't impress me. Seems like a snivelling spoilt brat for some reason. Typical pollie really.
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:50 pm
for something like this, 10 is a decisive margin. and word. was gold news this morning.
labor has been polling well for ages, people just didnt like the bomber.
labor has been polling well for ages, people just didnt like the bomber.
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:52 pm
Most people only give a shit about the interest rate on their mortgage.Direktor wrote:
Surely it's not too hard to topple the Coalition with all the people they've upset with:
* Introduction of GST
* The "wars on terror", both Afghanistan and Iraq
* The workplace reforms, AWA's etc
* The refugee/Wimmera/Tampa funtimes
* Refusal to sign the Kyoto protocol, etc etc.
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:55 pm
word brain, thats why they all vote for howard. you would hardly call him "powerful" and "charismatic".
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:00 pm
for a polly i think rudd is alright
intelligent, good in interviews, doesnt pretend to be "true blue"
able to present his point of view and critisisms clearly
better than beazle
hes had good exposure recently as well, lots of time on lateline for eg
intelligent, good in interviews, doesnt pretend to be "true blue"
able to present his point of view and critisisms clearly
better than beazle
hes had good exposure recently as well, lots of time on lateline for eg
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:00 pm
No, but I'd call him decisive and intelligent.
I don't mind Howard. But I'd warmly welcome some worthy opposition.
I don't mind Howard. But I'd warmly welcome some worthy opposition.
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:03 pm
I hate howard
do you wanna fight?
do you wanna fight?
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:08 pm
No, thanks for the offer though. Maybe some other time.
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:10 pm
awww... comeon
just one fight?
its very productive you know. good for the liver too
just one fight?
its very productive you know. good for the liver too
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:12 pm
Who ate all the pies?
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:17 pm
ummm, was it Merv?
Anyone read the 20 things you need to know about Rudd article yesterday in the Age?
Anyone read the 20 things you need to know about Rudd article yesterday in the Age?
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:19 pm
Scriptorama over here FS. He makes me so mad, I can't even find the right emoticon to describe it....rrrrrrrFoundationStepper wrote:I hate howard
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:23 pm
read the 20 things
didnt know he was a catholic
made me feel a little odd... wonder what his position on "right to life," stem cells etc is...
didnt know he was a catholic
made me feel a little odd... wonder what his position on "right to life," stem cells etc is...
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:25 pm
edit: (except the iraq war has inflicted hundreds of thousands of fatalities, but anyway)crikey.com.au wrote: Labor voted for another leadership change this morning for the fifth time in the Howard era. But the more things change, the more they stay the same...
- The Opposition still has to beat Australia’s most politically savvy Prime Minister.
- The Opposition still has to change enough votes of a middle class basking in house-price-fuelled prosperity.
- The Opposition still has to change the votes of enough older Australians who have been given the greatest superannuation boost in history by the current government.
- The Opposition still has to convince enough Australians of its credentials on climate change, while assuaging workers in energy industries who will lose their jobs.
- The Opposition still has to generate wide anxiety over WorkChoices without any clear-cut evidence that it's caused anxiety.
- The Opposition still has to stir up voters over Australia's participation in a war that has not inflicted one fatality.
- The Opposition still has to incite voter rage over the AWB affair that paid bribes to one of the world's great dictators.
Beazley. Rudd. Crean. Mr Magoo. Maybe the real problem isn’t Labor leadership. Maybe the real problem is the comfortable, relaxed, unvexed status quo of a majority of Australians who, quite understandably, continue to reward the PM who delivered it to them.
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:27 pm
those crikey points...
- The Opposition still has to stir up voters over Australia's participation in a war that has not inflicted one fatality.
umm? not one fatality? what about the iraquis? pretty shithouse voting public if only australian deaths count to them.
- The Opposition still has to generate wide anxiety over WorkChoices without any clear-cut evidence that it's caused anxiety.
evidence of anxiety... what about mass protests? id say thats anxiety!
- The Opposition still has to stir up voters over Australia's participation in a war that has not inflicted one fatality.
umm? not one fatality? what about the iraquis? pretty shithouse voting public if only australian deaths count to them.
- The Opposition still has to generate wide anxiety over WorkChoices without any clear-cut evidence that it's caused anxiety.
evidence of anxiety... what about mass protests? id say thats anxiety!
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:33 pm
bring back president taft!
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:49 pm
I would have agreed with this 12 months ago, but now I think a lot of people are also concerned about the Work Choices legislation.Brain wrote:Most people only give a shit about the interest rate on their mortgage.Direktor wrote:
Surely it's not too hard to topple the Coalition with all the people they've upset with:
* Introduction of GST
* The "wars on terror", both Afghanistan and Iraq
* The workplace reforms, AWA's etc
* The refugee/Wimmera/Tampa funtimes
* Refusal to sign the Kyoto protocol, etc etc.
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:53 pm
His wife is an Anglican, so he can't be a hardcore catholic or he wouldn't have married her. Perhaps he is able to have his religious values, and respect that others have different views?FoundationStepper wrote:read the 20 things
didnt know he was a catholic
made me feel a little odd... wonder what his position on "right to life," stem cells etc is...
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:58 pm
im hoping so... yeah i thought the same seeing his wife was anglican
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:03 pm
crikey.com.au wrote:Maybe the real problem is the comfortable, relaxed, unvexed status quo of a majority of Australians who, quite understandably, continue to reward the PM who delivered it to them.
So true.
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:09 pm
people are selfish
I dont feel good about "sound financial management" when i see things such as the inhumane treatment of asylum seekers, going to war in iraq, a complete failure on climate change...
i dont understand how people can be so narrow minded.
I dont feel good about "sound financial management" when i see things such as the inhumane treatment of asylum seekers, going to war in iraq, a complete failure on climate change...
i dont understand how people can be so narrow minded.
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:14 pm
How can people be so comfortable and relaxed when we are constantly being attacked by refugees/terrorists? :sarcasm:system wrote:crikey.com.au wrote:Maybe the real problem is the comfortable, relaxed, unvexed status quo of a majority of Australians who, quite understandably, continue to reward the PM who delivered it to them.
So true.
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:15 pm
institutionalised racisim makes me feel warm and fuzzy
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:20 pm
wordFoundationStepper wrote:people are selfish
I dont feel good about "sound financial management" when i see things such as the inhumane treatment of asylum seekers, going to war in iraq, a complete failure on climate change...
i dont understand how people can be so narrow minded.
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:26 pm
It makes me excited that Rudd and Gillard won..Beazley has had it. I don't think there is any way Labor will win the next election...anyway, doesn't the saying go that 'people don't win elections, they lose them'?
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:45 pm
FoundationStepper wrote:those crikey points...
- The Opposition still has to stir up voters over Australia's participation in a war that has not inflicted one fatality.
umm? not one fatality? what about the iraquis? pretty shithouse voting public if only australian deaths count to them.
- The Opposition still has to generate wide anxiety over WorkChoices without any clear-cut evidence that it's caused anxiety.
evidence of anxiety... what about mass protests? id say thats anxiety!
Solid. Take it from me, losing your job for no reason other than because the boss says so just doesn't cut it for me. I was only working there for 9 months...I can't imagine how heartbreaking it would be for someone who'd been at the same job for 10, 20, 30 years. That shit ain't right. And John Howard saying that the IR protest was nothing more than a Jimmy Barnes concert needs to take his head out of his ass.
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:00 pm
Brain wrote:How can people be so comfortable and relaxed when we are constantly being attacked by refugees/terrorists? :sarcasm:system wrote:crikey.com.au wrote:Maybe the real problem is the comfortable, relaxed, unvexed status quo of a majority of Australians who, quite understandably, continue to reward the PM who delivered it to them.
So true.
Because super Lexy is talking the talk, big Brendon is manning the guns and poppa Johnny is walking the walk!
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:27 pm
can't change leader this close to an election and win can you?
starting to get the impression the ALP is in collusion with the libs trying to lose every election ...
but yeh beazley was politically fucked and incapable of winning an election so bring it on
starting to get the impression the ALP is in collusion with the libs trying to lose every election ...
but yeh beazley was politically fucked and incapable of winning an election so bring it on
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:35 pm
I voted for Pedro
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:40 pm
What a shithouse day for Beazer. He lost his brother today as well as the Labour leadership. If the old adage that bad luck comes in 3's is true, I hope the third is a little easier to deal with.
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:24 pm
great another mediocre right leaning suit with no life experience except diplomatic service
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:07 pm
It doesn't matter, Howard will win again. You heard it here first.
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:33 pm
whoa thereDirektor wrote:Meh.
Another weak leader for Labor in my opinion.
I don't think they've had a "powerful" and "charismatic" leader since Keating.
Beazley/Crean/Latham/Beazley/Rudd.... meh.
Surely it's not too hard to topple the Coalition with all the people they've upset with:
* Introduction of GST
* The "wars on terror", both Afghanistan and Iraq
* The workplace reforms, AWA's etc
* The refugee/Wimmera/Tampa funtimes
* Refusal to sign the Kyoto protocol, etc etc.
If Labor had a decent leader I reckon they'd win the next election quite comfortably. Maybe Rudd will do it, but he doesn't impress me. Seems like a snivelling spoilt brat for some reason. Typical pollie really.
Rudd is a well spoken person, maybe to the point of being 'snooty' in the eyes of some
But, he was thrown into a Queensland seat, one of the toughest in the country as a lame duck..
He lost his first candidacy three terms ago
Two terms ago, he wins, but by a bees dick for a place in parliament
Last election, he had a SEVENTEEN percent swing!
Something tells me this guy knows how to look after his constituants
As for a grass roots level, he grew up on a farm, his dad died when he was 10, the band foreclosed on their property and the family lived in a station wagon for quite a few months.....
Now he is heading into an election
Something to think about
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:37 pm
My parents live in his electorate, and it is the one I grew up in, though I had moved overseas the year he first won his seat. Talked to Dad today about the possibility of his MP becoming a future PM and he was pleased. My Dad is not one to discuss his political views, so that was surprising! Rudd is popular in his Brisbane seat because he has done things like use his own money for court action against more flight paths over my parents suburb.SoulWhiteMan wrote: Rudd is a well spoken person, maybe to the point of being 'snooty' in the eyes of some
But, he was thrown into a Queensland seat, one of the toughest in the country as a lame duck..
He lost his first candidacy three terms ago
Two terms ago, he wins, but by a bees dick for a place in parliament
Last election, he had a SEVENTEEN percent swing!
Something tells me this guy knows how to look after his constituants
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 9:50 am
SoulWhiteMan wrote:the band foreclosed on their property
Bastards Yeah, Rudd is about as right wing as Beasley, but if the ALP put in someone further to the left, would Australians vote for them? Sadly, I think not. Besides, Labour was just as right wing under Keating and Hawke. Privatisation/deregulation anyone?
Sounds about right to me.Lenin wrote:The Australian Labour Party does not even call itself a socialist party. Actually it is a liberal-bourgeois party, while the so-called Liberals in Australia are really Conservatives.
Anyway, Rudd still seems like an improvement. Unlike Beasley, he can actually string a coherent sentence together about ALP policy and relate it back to broader issues.
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 9:52 am
Still doesn't change my opinion of him. I watch him weekly on Sunrise, and I don't trust him.SoulWhiteMan wrote:whoa thereDirektor wrote:Meh.
Another weak leader for Labor in my opinion.
I don't think they've had a "powerful" and "charismatic" leader since Keating.
Beazley/Crean/Latham/Beazley/Rudd.... meh.
Surely it's not too hard to topple the Coalition with all the people they've upset with:
* Introduction of GST
* The "wars on terror", both Afghanistan and Iraq
* The workplace reforms, AWA's etc
* The refugee/Wimmera/Tampa funtimes
* Refusal to sign the Kyoto protocol, etc etc.
If Labor had a decent leader I reckon they'd win the next election quite comfortably. Maybe Rudd will do it, but he doesn't impress me. Seems like a snivelling spoilt brat for some reason. Typical pollie really.
Rudd is a well spoken person, maybe to the point of being 'snooty' in the eyes of some
But, he was thrown into a Queensland seat, one of the toughest in the country as a lame duck..
He lost his first candidacy three terms ago
Two terms ago, he wins, but by a bees dick for a place in parliament
Last election, he had a SEVENTEEN percent swing!
Something tells me this guy knows how to look after his constituants
As for a grass roots level, he grew up on a farm, his dad died when he was 10, the band foreclosed on their property and the family lived in a station wagon for quite a few months.....
Now he is heading into an election
Something to think about
(EDIT: I obviously don't know the man. And you obviously can't trust many politicians. I just don't like what I see when I watch Rudd interviewed.)
PS: I'm not exactly pro-Howard. And definately not pro-Beazley.
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 9:58 am
Now that I know you watch Sunrise, I don't trust you.Direktor wrote:I watch him weekly on Sunrise, and I don't trust him.
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:06 am
I like Sunrise 
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:20 pm
Yeah, I know what you mean. Keating definately put forward a lot of Neo-Liberal policies, like deregulation, floating the dollar, removing the protetction of enterprise at home (through heavy subsidies from government going)Kilgore_Trout wrote:
Yeah, Rudd is about as right wing as Beasley, but if the ALP put in someone further to the left, would Australians vote for them? Sadly, I think not. Besides, Labour was just as right wing under Keating and Hawke. Privatisation/deregulation anyone?
The difference I feel is the way the Liberal party functions as a collective, being leaders for so long, they have a very 'we're right....why are we right?.... because we said so - fuck off!' ; they have a very arrogant demeanor, and I believe this pisses a lot on the left and centre off a lot.
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Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 1:10 pm
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:15 pm
haha, what the hell
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who is this RMHC human?