thats not entirely true, the changes in climate and Co2 in the atmosphere that have occurred since the 1960s are WAY off the meter in terms of anything observed over the past 600,000 years at least.DBoy wrote:The weather is going to change. I can't understand why we take for granted histroy the we know, ice ages, periods of highler water and what not, then we seem to assume all of that has ceased and the weather should remian the same for ever now us humans are here and living in such perfect harmony with our surrounds.
TEN YEARS OF NOTHING - not one fucking thing!
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really? You don't think the rates of change varied greatly in the past too? but all we do is estimate periods through our 'sceintific' methods of calculating what the weather was like 600 000 years ago?sneaky hands wrote:thats not entirely true, the changes in climate and Co2 in the atmosphere that have occurred since the 1960s are WAY off the meter in terms of anything observed over the past 600,000 years at least.DBoy wrote:The weather is going to change. I can't understand why we take for granted histroy the we know, ice ages, periods of highler water and what not, then we seem to assume all of that has ceased and the weather should remian the same for ever now us humans are here and living in such perfect harmony with our surrounds.
I don't know anything about it, so i'm just rambling, but i still think it is silly to think we live in a 100% stable environment despite our impact on it. Now thats not to say i think we should all go out and piss petrol up the wall, I just think we need to remember, humans are survivors, and move with the times.
the age:
(it also mentions the mobile thing. i don't have a landline here, just dsl and a mobile. even if I was actually paying my own mobile bill, it'd be cheap enough to use as my sole phone, which it's really not still in australia.)
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/ ... 11577.htmlAt 3.6 million, Melbourne's population is just half that of Paris, but the Victorian capital is twice the geographic size of France's and now occupies double the space it did when Daddy Cool recorded Eagle Rock in 1971.
(it also mentions the mobile thing. i don't have a landline here, just dsl and a mobile. even if I was actually paying my own mobile bill, it'd be cheap enough to use as my sole phone, which it's really not still in australia.)
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Yeh i dont have half an hour to type out the exact research but basically the earth has never seen anything like whats about to happen unless we reduce emissions. Im not sayin itll definitely be as bad as it looks (nobody can for sure) but it sure looks bad.
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thanks for your well-thought-out contribution, tash. 
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Point of the day.DBoy wrote:The weather is going to change. I can't understand why we take for granted histroy the we know, ice ages, periods of highler water and what not, then we seem to assume all of that has ceased and the weather should remian the same for ever now us humans are here and living in such perfect harmony with our surrounds.
Everything moves in circles IMO.
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I like how this word (science) is one of the sneaky ones that doesn't conform to those not so strict english rules such as "i before e except after c".DBoy wrote:'sceintific'
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wrt the argument that oh well everything is cyclical anyway itll make itself better. The overwhelming viewpoint in scientific circles (in fact it is not even considered to be a question any more) is that this is incorrect.
Just some quick facts from http://www.climatecrisis.net/thescience/
Carbon dioxide and other gases warm the surface of the planet naturally by trapping solar heat in the atmosphere. This is a good thing because it keeps our planet habitable. However, by burning fossil fuels such as coal, gas and oil and clearing forests we have dramatically increased the amount of carbon dioxide in the Earth’s atmosphere and temperatures are rising.
The vast majority of scientists agree that global warming is real, it’s already happening and that it is the result of our activities and not a natural occurrence. The evidence is overwhelming and undeniable.
We’re already seeing changes. Glaciers are melting, plants and animals are being forced from their habitat, and the number of severe storms and droughts is increasing.
The number of Category 4 and 5 hurricanes has almost doubled in the last 30 years.
Malaria has spread to higher altitudes in places like the Colombian Andes, 7,000 feet above sea level.
The flow of ice from glaciers in Greenland has more than doubled over the past decade.
At least 279 species of plants and animals are already responding to global warming, moving closer to the poles.
If the warming continues, we can expect catastrophic consequences.
Deaths from global warming will double in just 25 years -- to 300,000 people a year.
Global sea levels could rise by more than 20 feet with the loss of shelf ice in Greenland and
Antarctica, devastating coastal areas worldwide.
Heat waves will be more frequent and more intense.
Droughts and wildfires will occur more often.
The Arctic Ocean could be ice free in summer by 2050.
More than a million species worldwide could be driven to extinction by 2050.
Just some quick facts from http://www.climatecrisis.net/thescience/
Carbon dioxide and other gases warm the surface of the planet naturally by trapping solar heat in the atmosphere. This is a good thing because it keeps our planet habitable. However, by burning fossil fuels such as coal, gas and oil and clearing forests we have dramatically increased the amount of carbon dioxide in the Earth’s atmosphere and temperatures are rising.
The vast majority of scientists agree that global warming is real, it’s already happening and that it is the result of our activities and not a natural occurrence. The evidence is overwhelming and undeniable.
We’re already seeing changes. Glaciers are melting, plants and animals are being forced from their habitat, and the number of severe storms and droughts is increasing.
The number of Category 4 and 5 hurricanes has almost doubled in the last 30 years.
Malaria has spread to higher altitudes in places like the Colombian Andes, 7,000 feet above sea level.
The flow of ice from glaciers in Greenland has more than doubled over the past decade.
At least 279 species of plants and animals are already responding to global warming, moving closer to the poles.
If the warming continues, we can expect catastrophic consequences.
Deaths from global warming will double in just 25 years -- to 300,000 people a year.
Global sea levels could rise by more than 20 feet with the loss of shelf ice in Greenland and
Antarctica, devastating coastal areas worldwide.
Heat waves will be more frequent and more intense.
Droughts and wildfires will occur more often.
The Arctic Ocean could be ice free in summer by 2050.
More than a million species worldwide could be driven to extinction by 2050.
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Surely the ice age was fairly significant... It's a tad longer than 600,000 years ago but there's apparently been more than one, which would suggest cyclical patterns....sneaky hands wrote:thats not entirely true, the changes in climate and Co2 in the atmosphere that have occurred since the 1960s are WAY off the meter in terms of anything observed over the past 600,000 years at least.DBoy wrote:The weather is going to change. I can't understand why we take for granted histroy the we know, ice ages, periods of highler water and what not, then we seem to assume all of that has ceased and the weather should remian the same for ever now us humans are here and living in such perfect harmony with our surrounds.
Definately agree with you about what's happened since the 60's though... Would have been nice if we could have invented some pro-environment gadgets along with the take-over of the industrial age.
PS: Re: cyclical patterns... maybe if we continue on our merry-way the next age to dawn on us (due to global warming) will be the 'water age'?
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Well that speaks volumes for cyclical patterns.sneaky hands wrote:im no expert but there have definitely been at least 3 ice ages in the last 600k years.
Not saying we abandon all hope of trying to save the planet by any means.
But I think the old yin-yang of the universe tends to balance itself out more often than not. Make too much pollution and kills too much vegetation - and goodbye Earth or a few million years!
As said in the Matrix, "You humans are parasites"
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yeh theres a graph i wish i could find a link to it. shows the regular cyclical pattern, all cruisy, normal variations in temp (including ice ages) over the past 600k years. Then all of a sudden since the 70s it just goes off the meter. its not a pattern any more.Direktor wrote: Well that speaks volumes for cyclical patterns.
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how the fuk do they know it has been cruisy? This is what i was saying before, they PRESUME to much in those estimates of climate change for my liking. There may have been cold snaps or dramatic changes that their empirical methods of "historical anyalsis" can not find evidence off.sneaky hands wrote:yeh theres a graph i wish i could find a link to it. shows the regular cyclical pattern, all cruisy, normal variations in temp (including ice ages) over the past 600k years. Then all of a sudden since the 70s it just goes off the meter. its not a pattern any more.Direktor wrote: Well that speaks volumes for cyclical patterns.
But then agian, you may be right, this increase in change could mean that our impact has altered that cruisy and constant cyclical format... and we all know what that means.
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thats the point man, they can conclusively determine the average temperature in a given year and the average amount of CO2 in the atmosphere going that far back. They can tell on a year by year basis by analysing the composition of ice in glaciers.DBoy wrote: how the fuk do they know it has been cruisy? This is what i was saying before, they PRESUME to much in those estimates of climate change for my liking. There may have been cold snaps or dramatic changes that their empirical methods of "historical anyalsis" can not find evidence off.
In the scientific community this is accepted as truth. sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming "im not listening to you" doesnt change reality. it's what the US government has been doing for 30 years and it didnt stop katrina.
watch "An Inconvenient Truth". there really is no ignoring it.
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That's so plausible I can't believe it!
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11:30???
WTF???
let me guess..
channel 7???
they hvae the worst programming ever!
first futurama went to shit cos it was on too late..
family guy just scraped in cos everyone knew how good it was before it was on there..
and now scrubs on so late also..
it does the pissing of me off many times!!!
WTF???
let me guess..
channel 7???
they hvae the worst programming ever!
first futurama went to shit cos it was on too late..
family guy just scraped in cos everyone knew how good it was before it was on there..
and now scrubs on so late also..
it does the pissing of me off many times!!!
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Just buy it on DVD 
Is season 4 & 5 of Scrubs out yet on DVD?
Is season 4 & 5 of Scrubs out yet on DVD?That's so plausible I can't believe it!
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That's so plausible I can't believe it!
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Morning! 
That's so plausible I can't believe it!
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