Fruity Loops, your opinion wanted please

almax · Post by **almax** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:59 pm

A friend of mine has given me a copy of Fruity loops and swears by it, i used Fruity like 6 or 7 years ago and i remember it being quite limited, however, my mate has the latest (or close to) version and i had a brief play around the other day and it looks the goods, but i just have this mental tarnish on the name from my past experience. What are its limitations if any?

Direkt · Post by **Direkt** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:01 pm

Is this friend of yours of Dopebeat by any chance?

Personally, I like Fruity's.... haven't used it for a couple of years though - the last one I had was a cracked version and it corrupted my registry. My fault really, or the crackers - whatever.

Good for drum programming IMO.

FoundationStepper · Post by **FoundationStepper** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:04 pm

I know someone who makes excellent music in FL

and its not to exxy either

and right, from all accounts if you arent using a tracker, its the business for drums

almax · Post by **almax** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:10 pm

hmmm, yeah i have an MPC for drums so prolly wouldn't need it for that alone. And no its not db, he would have to answer his phone to be able to give me anything so fuck that khunt

Direkt · Post by **Direkt** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:11 pm

almax · Post by **almax** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:19 pm

but yeah i found fruity to be really easy to use but i dont wanna get it, then get to know it only to face limitations later on

Direkt · Post by **Direkt** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:19 pm

Are you going to buy it?

What's the price?

Post by **fooishbar** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:35 pm

nutri grain.

almax · Post by **almax** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:47 pm

nah got it free, but dont have time to learn multiple applications, especially with my jetsetting lifestyle and bitches that need continual pleasing (they can be so demanding)

Direkt · Post by **Direkt** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:51 pm

Whatever dude.

The only bitches you've got that need pleasing are these ones:

Direkt · Post by **Direkt** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:53 pm

PS: If it's free use it. If it's simple and doesn't actually require you to "learn" the program - then you're already kicking goals aren't you?

I love the step sequencer. And you can load external third-party VST's, so as long as you've got a swag of cool synths and FX, then goodtimes for all!

Post by **system** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:56 pm

fooishbar wrote:nutri grain.

bircher, baby.

Blaxter · Post by **Blaxter** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:00 pm

Fruity is the business.

almax · Post by **almax** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:01 pm

lol, yeah chihuahuas (sp?) are the most demanding bitches, but double as a vibrator so all is not lost. Hmm ok so ill give fruity the attention it requires

black star wrote:Fruity is the business.

excellent, thats what i wanna hear

resist · Post by **resist** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:29 pm

Hey Almax... how's things?? I've been using FL for about 10 years. Theres not really any limitations that I've found, but of course, it depends what you want from it. FL is perfect for what I'm doing (pattern-based programming). I've also used it to record live guitars and percussion on top of programmed loops, and it worked fine.

The only problems I have with FL are:

- not available for OSX
- doesn't currently utilize the dual core on my laptop
- not really suitable for live/jam use (but thats where Ableton comes in)

almax · Post by **almax** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:43 pm

hey bro, long time, you still OS? if not should catch up for a beer.
Yeah well ive now had enough feedback from people whose opinion i respect from this thread, PMs and in RL to say that im now a converted fruity loops representative! Thanks for the feedback

resist · Post by **resist** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:57 pm

I'm still OS.. I'll look you up when I (eventually) get back.

Flash · Post by **Flash** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:25 pm

nice work dude, yeh the latests versions have really transformed it into a respectable and complete production tool.
it all depends in which way you prefer to sequence your songs. Its all about the plugins and samples to give your song your own touch.
I find fruity great for getting your ideas down really quickly and trying loads of different sequences.
theres plenty of big name producers like Spor, Skream etc.. and they all swear by using it.
have fun!

paranoid edge · Post by **paranoid edge** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:29 pm

Fruity or STFU

nic · Post by **nic** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:03 pm

its like $210 and u get lifetime upgrades
great for price and heaps of support if you pay.

db · Post by db » Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:14 pm

almax wrote:hmmm, yeah i have an MPC for drums so prolly wouldn't need it for that alone. And no its not db, he would have to answer his phone to be able to give me anything so fuck that khunt

Fuck you too cock boy!!

I DO answer my phone these days.

paranoid edge wrote: Fruity or STFU

Word, nuff said.

Actually a little more...
Both Wasp and i have been using Fruitys for creation for over 7 years now and still we haven't found anything close to it.
Fair nuff it's not pro tools or cubase but untill you are mixing down to final recording, it is all you will ever need.

unsoundbwoy · Post by **unsoundbwoy** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:31 pm

i use different software for their strengths.
i've used fruity on and off since version 2

FL Studio 7 has limitations, but everything does.

if i was going for new software i'd go for a tracker

10 things i like about FL Studio 7

1. the slicer.
great for mashing drums, but also nifty for melodic samples, even blines if you're feeling adventurous
2. the mixer
the routing is awesome, really quick and efficient sidechaning and grouping
3. patterns
i love working in patterns, you don't need to keep muting stuff, you can work on a break or synth line or sample or whatever as 16 bars and add it to the sequencer
4. the new playlist editor
it has the old pattern sequencer, but i never use it anymore, now you get a visual representation of midi data, automation clips and audio clips
5. the piano roll
quick straightforward sequencing. the chop and quantise features are well implemented, plus having editable velocity, pitch, cutoff and resonance for each hit makes drum choppage a dream
6. the make unique function
in the playlist editor you can click on the arrow on the side of an audio track, automation clip or pattern and make it unique, eg pattern 22 clones and becomes pattern 22 and 23 letting you have a loop rolling, but make slight edits to each pattern ... quickly
7. the effects
the parametric eq is low cpu and really effective
the multiband compressor is adequate and low on the CPU
8. the automation
you can automate everything, every parameter of a vst, the velocity, the mixer routing, the tempo
9. the time stretching
good tempo detection algorithm. fast time stretching. usually sounds good.
10. the package
this program does heaps for the money, they give you updates and support if you need it

10 things i don't like about FL7
1. the lack of a freeze function
i would love it if you could freeze a channel to audio so that VSTs didn't always have to be running
2. when time stretching sounds shit
this happens if you try and stretch melodic stuff too much, too grainy and warbley
3. no undo on timestretching
seriously what the fuck?
4. short undo history
why?
5. the sample editor
the edison is a vast improvement, but could be developed a lot
6. the limitation of the pattern based approach
it does affect the creative process in good and bad ways, the new playlist editor is offering more flexibility
7. rendering
could be a few more options in the choice of outs. i'd like to be able to render just certain mixer channels (remember to always set your settings to the highest mixer interpolation for rendering)
8. the new features project and tutorials
could be more in depth and less tacky
9. not being able to add automation for vsts etc into the piano roll
would be nice to be able to automate stuff under the notes that are playing
10. other users
the amount of shit producers that use it, and don't use its features in a challenging way give it a rep for sounding crap and being limited

hope that helps in some way

SoulWhiteMan · Post by **SoulWhiteMan** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:35 pm

nic wrote:its like $210 and u get lifetime upgrades
great for price and heaps of support if you pay.

spot on!

although my mum paid for it on her credit card for my birthday a few years back, it says "hello anna" in the help section!

also

many pros out there use fruity as a writer, and cubase as a sequencer/mixer

James Holden is one of them!

same o · Post by **same o** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:52 pm

skream and spor use fruty loops nuff said

db · Post by db » Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:32 pm

SoulWhiteMan wrote: many pros out there use fruity as a writer, and cubase as a sequencer/mixer

The only way to go imo although i would prob use pro tools

Direkt · Post by **Direkt** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:36 pm

sAme'0 wrote:skream and spor use fruty loops nuff said

Who are they?

same o · Post by **same o** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:51 pm

Direktor wrote:
sAme'0 wrote:skream and spor use fruty loops nuff said
Who are they?

skream is probably the biggest dubstep producer
and spor makes the most evil chopy d'n'b
cliff would be disapointed that u dont know who he is

Direkt · Post by **Direkt** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:04 pm

Cliff would know that I dropped this ->

Sorry Petey... only stirring mate. Dubstep and Cliff's style of d'n'b ain't my cuppa tea...

...stirring the Dubstep and "Evil Choppy DNB" massif's is though.

almax · Post by **almax** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:21 pm

sAme'0 wrote:
Direktor wrote:
sAme'0 wrote:skream and spor use fruty loops nuff said
Who are they?

skream is probably the biggest dubstep producer
and spor makes the most evil chopy d'n'b
cliff would be disapointed that u dont know who he is

Ha ha, bait taken, reel him in Spiesy, but make sure you catch and release, dont forget to give 'im a big rex hunt kiss too

Direkt · Post by **Direkt** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:24 pm

He's too big to catch and release, but I'll do it for you Chief.

konk · Post by **konk** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 7:06 pm

Once its on vinyl no1 knows the difference. Sure some lame arse audio geek who knows the characteristics of the time stretch algorithms. But in the end its the creative integrity your work holds. What ever flows your note

unsoundbwoy · Post by **unsoundbwoy** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 1:10 am

konk wrote:Once its on vinyl no1 knows the difference. Sure some lame arse audio geek who knows the characteristics of the time stretch algorithms. But in the end its the creative integrity your work holds. What ever flows your note

could be the best defense of any software i ever read. thanks konk.

db · Post by db » Sun Aug 26, 2007 1:10 am

unsoundbwoy wrote:
konk wrote:Once its on vinyl no1 knows the difference. Sure some lame arse audio geek who knows the characteristics of the time stretch algorithms. But in the end its the creative integrity your work holds. What ever flows your note
could be the best defense of any software i ever read. thanks konk.

word.

Direkt · Post by **Direkt** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 12:52 pm

konk wrote:Once its on vinyl no1 knows the difference. Sure some lame arse audio geek who knows the characteristics of the time stretch algorithms. But in the end its the creative integrity your work holds. What ever flows your note

It's not just about how something sounds. It's what you can do with it that's equally as important.

You could have the cleanest sounding audio engine in the world - but if it takes you 5 days to write a decent beat, well... I just hope you're a patient person.

(PS: Not saying Fruity's is time-consuming, far from it - just making a point).

same o · Post by **same o** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 1:32 pm

Direktor wrote: He's too big to catch and release, but I'll do it for you Chief.

dont even try to catch me i am an endangered spiecies

unsoundbwoy · Post by **unsoundbwoy** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 1:35 pm

i don't think time is paramount.
if it takes six months to write one tune and its solid and you're happy then six months is fine.

Direkt · Post by **Direkt** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 2:31 pm

It's not time...

I'm talking more about the power of the program, and how intuitive the interface is.

Sure you'd be stoked if you wrote a good song, no longer how much time it took - but programs that take forever to accomplish simple tasks are a pain in the ass. I like to be able to quickly transpose what's in my head onto the program before I forget it...

Blaxter · Post by **Blaxter** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 2:38 pm

sAme'0 wrote:
Direktor wrote: He's too big to catch and release, but I'll do it for you Chief.
dont even try to catch me i am an endangered spiecies

I thought you were a natural pest.

unsoundbwoy · Post by **unsoundbwoy** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:13 pm

Direktor wrote:It's not time...

I'm talking more about the power of the program, and how intuitive the interface is.

Sure you'd be stoked if you wrote a good song, no longer how much time it took - but programs that take forever to accomplice simple tasks are a pain in the ass. I like to be able to quickly transpose what's in my head onto the program before I forget it...

true enough

almax · Post by **almax** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:52 pm

black star wrote:
sAme'0 wrote:
Direktor wrote: He's too big to catch and release, but I'll do it for you Chief.
dont even try to catch me i am an endangered spiecies
I thought you were a natural pest.

oh no, he is definately feral

same o · Post by **same o** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 5:11 pm

black star wrote:
sAme'0 wrote:
Direktor wrote: He's too big to catch and release, but I'll do it for you Chief.
dont even try to catch me i am an endangered spiecies
I thought you were a natural pest.

that cuts deep

grooki · Post by **grooki** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:42 pm

Skream uses FL? nice

db · Post by db » Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:08 pm

Got Fruity 7 the other day... Holy shit.

One of the MANY NEW plugz, the Love Philter... nice.

nic · Post by **nic** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:13 pm

styrus and lovephilters is mads eh

db · Post by db » Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:22 pm

haven't used styrus, but sytrus is ill eh?

Got some mad appeg happening.

Direkt · Post by **Direkt** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:28 am

Dang Ash.... looks da bidness... I want.

grooki · Post by **grooki** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:59 am

those website photos always look so damn good! Big screen and hi res

unsoundbwoy · Post by **unsoundbwoy** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 2:35 pm

been rocking version seven since the day it came out.
the multiband and the philter are dope
the new sequencing window and the new way off fx routing are what own for me personally

almax · Post by **almax** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:02 pm

lol, i want girlfriend that wears a fruityloop thong!

Blaxter · Post by **Blaxter** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 3:26 pm

almax wrote:lol, i want girlfriend that wears a fruityloop thong!

Thats cute.