TEN YEARS OF NOTHING - not one fucking thing!

[C.I.A.]

pfft



yet destroyed the lives of billions more, supressed the economic advances of other countries, perpetuated war, famine etc etc

why do you believe that capatilism has hurt more than its helped? on what grounds do you believe this?

The reality is Capitalism is all about profit and for profit you need scarcity, if there was an abundant supply of diamonds, they wouldnt be worth squat. We currently live in a society that produces Scarcity. The consequence of this scarcity is that human beings must behave in self preserving ways, even if it means they have to cheat and steal in order to get what they want. It can be concluded that Scarcity is one of the most fundamental causes of aberrant human behavior, while also leading to complex forms of neurosis in other ways. If you take a statistical look at drug addition, crime and incarceration statistics, you will find that poverty and unhealthy social conditions comprise the life experience of those who engage in such behavior.
Human beings are not good or bad... they are running, forever changing compositions of the life experience(s) that influence them. The "quality" of a human being ( if there was such a thing ) is directly related to the upbringing and thus belief systems they have been conditioned into.
This simple reality has been grossly overlooked and today people primitively think that competition, greed and corruption are "hardwired" elements of human behavior and, in turn, we must have prisons, police and hence a hierarchy of differential control in order for society to deal with these "tendencies". This is totally illogical and false.

I was under the impression that the current free market is run by supply and demand, and that scarcity is only a small part of a bigger picture. Also, competition IS hardwired into us. Our ancestors didn't crawl out of the primordial ooze because they were altruistic, they did so to avoid predation and take the lion's share of what was until then an untapped resource. Same thing occured again and again throughout evolutionary history... being successful and passing your genes on to the next generation has meant not just being competitive, but being good at it (and this is where the concept of 'greed' comes into play).

I don't buy into the hippy airy-fairy 'if we all had a group hug, things would be cool' bullshit.

[Hardy]

I <3 capitalism.

[almax]

Also, competition IS hardwired into us. Our ancestors didn't crawl out of the primordial ooze because they were altruistic, they did so to avoid predation and take the lion's share of what was until then an untapped resource. Same thing occured again and again throughout evolutionary history... being successful and passing your genes on to the next generation has meant not just being competitive, but being good at it (and this is where the concept of 'greed' comes into play).

By hardwired i mean we dont have to do these things, dont you think we have evolved enough now that we shouldnt NEED to compete with each other?
1% of the world owns 40% of the wealth, thats just not right, its not neccessary to have that much wealth while so many people live on so little. Its little wonder why there is so much war in the world.

[C.I.A.]

Speaking of capitalism, I found out that blue collar workers call white collar workers "shiny bums".

Was in this OH&S induction with about 25 blokes and the guy presenting the thing walked in and was all "I know you are all sitting there thinking I'm a shiny bum, but I started out doing real work like you blokes".

can anyone shed light on why managers and CEOs are 'shiny bums'?

[FoundationStepper]

fairy floss - whatever you or i think about how we can modify our natural behaviours, you aren't gonig to change the massess of humans out there.

no its not right that there is enoumous disparity. but do you really think you can blame capatilism for all of this? china and india are going from 3rd world upwards on the back of capatilism. its freaking far from perfect but its not the inherent cause of poverty.

that said, i like a good dose of socialism in my capatilism. the safety net.

[C.I.A.]

Also, competition IS hardwired into us. Our ancestors didn't crawl out of the primordial ooze because they were altruistic, they did so to avoid predation and take the lion's share of what was until then an untapped resource. Same thing occured again and again throughout evolutionary history... being successful and passing your genes on to the next generation has meant not just being competitive, but being good at it (and this is where the concept of 'greed' comes into play).

By hardwired i mean we dont have to do these things, dont you think we have evolved enough now that we shouldnt NEED to compete with each other?
1% of the world owns 40% of the wealth, thats just not right, its not neccessary to have that much wealth while so many people live on so little. Its little wonder why there is so much war in the world.

If you mean 'socially', then possibly, but we haven't had any evolutionary pressure acting on us as a species that would wipe out greed. In fact, it could be argued that greed and competition still provide a significant advantage in terms of reproductive success.... think Hugh Hefner and his numerous girlfriends. They are with him and put up with his other girlfriends because he has $$$$$. Greed, pure and simple.

[breaksRbest]

dont you think we have evolved enough now that we shouldnt NEED to compete with each other?

for so many reasons, No.

Job Interviews: "ahh fuck it, there's someone else going for this job. they may as well have it"

Sport: "the teams seem to be standing still on the pitch, it's as if there will to win or even play against each other has dissappeared overnight

Business: "think I'll shut up shop, there's another business just like mine in the next suburb"

Picking Up: "There's too many other guys here, don't think I'll even bother trying to pick up that chick"

and so on

[DBoy]

'm going to agree with Al on this one. I think that the next "stage" of evolution will be much different to those that have passed before. I think the next stage of evolution will be different because it will happen on to a group's consciousness. Although it could be argued this has happened before I don't think it has happened to the degree that this next exciting evolutionary turn will take. Of course these things are impossible to predict and it could in fact (and likely be) the opposite, but by at least putting the concept of a positive metaphysical shift of global consciousness into discourse and creating an idealism about it makes it possible. If everyone just believes we will continue to be greedy and selfish by nature, then of course we will remain that way. It is ideas that change societies, not people. And it is ideas that make them stay the same too.

Capitalism has been a very useful tool to create the possibilities of a more comfortable lifestyle for our species so that we may start using less of our ‘energy’ on labour and spending more time on improving the use of our brain. Our brains did not evolve to be as large as they are for no reason, and I think that now we have created all these tools around us we will be able to start using more of that brain power. But if you think that Capitalism did not also spend a lot of it’s time creating an amazing disparagement of wealth (or distribution of resources) then you are kidding yourself. Capitalism was never a fair playing field, nor has any society ever been, but that is not to say it is not something we should not aim for, or discount as possible. Discounting something makes it impossible.

In summary, Capitalism has been very useful, but it is time to look forward for some more all encompassing and relevant solutions for a global community who face some common problems and a shared consciousness.

That may have been 3c not 2, but I pay my way.

[ghetto kitty]

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By hardwired i mean we dont have to do these things, dont you think we have evolved enough now that we shouldnt NEED to compete with each other?
1% of the world owns 40% of the wealth, thats just not right, its not neccessary to have that much wealth while so many people live on so little. Its little wonder why there is so much war in the world.

do you actually think we have/are still evolving tho al?
i mean, we make big tings now, but I dont know that we are really still evolving much due to the nice sheltered, controlled environment we have created for ourselves.
i agree with your statement, but if you read and research and watch all the things i know you do, surely this doesnt suprise you anymore?

capatilism aint peachy, neither is socialism.
most of society doesnt really know what the fuck the difference is tbh.
greed/need have become one and the same sadly imho.

edit > yes d.
i agree too.
which is why i am trying to create a group of people to talk about that shift of consciousness and actually WORK with that knowledge, instead of more and more intellectual talk! talk talk talk! humans are great at it! look at us on MB for an example!

but the 'people' as a whole need to agree first that the way it is now is fucked.
then they can move into another way of thinking.
i just dont know why anyone can either
1) deny it is the way it is
2) still get suprised at the levels of fuckedness out there!

my 2c

[ghetto kitty]

' I think that the next "stage" of evolution will be much different to those that have passed before. I think the next stage of evolution will be different because it will happen on to a group's consciousness. Although it could be argued this has happened before I don't think it has happened to the degree that this next exciting evolutionary turn will take. Of course these things are impossible to predict and it could in fact (and likely be) the opposite, but by at least putting the concept of a positive metaphysical shift of global consciousness into discourse and creating an idealism about it makes it possible.

PS this is pretty much what me and a whole group of others think the '2012' thing is.
the 'end of the world as we know it' is this shift of consciousness.
some will keep up, some will be left behind, and it dont matter who you pray to or how much gold you have.

[DBoy]

[
do you actually think we have/are still evolving tho al?

Of course we are, nothing is static and nothing is ever the same, not 'really'.

Notting Hill!

[ghetto kitty]

course we are.
but not at the rapid pace of our ancestors due to environment etc, thats all.

[almax]

dont you think we have evolved enough now that we shouldnt NEED to compete with each other?

for so many reasons, No.

Job Interviews: "ahh fuck it, there's someone else going for this job. they may as well have it"

Sport: "the teams seem to be standing still on the pitch, it's as if there will to win or even play against each other has dissappeared overnight

Business: "think I'll shut up shop, there's another business just like mine in the next suburb"

Picking Up: "There's too many other guys here, don't think I'll even bother trying to pick up that chick"

and so on

you're missing my point, fair enough perhaps i havent made it clear enough.
Im referring to survival, and this is a pure hypothetical fantasy, which as Foundationstepper mentioned will probably never occur because it would require changing the masses perception, but...

Imagine a world where we use our advanced technology to do 90%+ of our day to day needs to survive, Maslows hieracy of human needs for survival
Air
Food
Water
Shelter
If these things are looked after then im guessing you think people will just do nothing and lie around right? well maybe for awhile, but that would just get boring, have you ever been on the dole? while its good, it gets boring, you need to occupy your mind and be active, so you would still see people being creative, playing sport, solving mysteries/science work etc, the difference is, you would be doing it because you love doing it
" Think back to when you were a child and had no idea what money even was. You played, were curious and did many things... why? Because you wanted to. However, as time goes on in our system, that natural curiosity and self-motivation is stripped away from people, as they are forced to conform to the specialized, compartmentalized, nearly predefined labor system in order to survive. This, in turn, often creates a natural rebellion within the person due to the forced obligation, and this is how we came up with "leisure" and "work" separations. The laziness assumed to exist by the monetary system proponents (who claim it produces incentive) do not recognize this. In a true society, people would follow their natural inclinations and work to contribute to society not because they are "paid" for it, but because they have a greater awareness which recognizes that contributing to society helps them just as much as everyone else. This is the heightened state of awareness we hope to communicate. Your reward for contributing to society is the well being of that society... which, in turn, furthers your well being. "

[DBoy]

course we are.
but not at the rapid pace of our ancestors due to environment etc, thats all.

Yeah I am not sure evolution ever happened quicker, I think that is just a perception because when you look back it is hard to imagine the time it took for us to change from one form to another. I don't know the science on this though.

[spiral]

[mixtress]

well we're certainly evolving quicker spiritually and emotionally. Hark back 100 years and think of all the change. A gajillion new religions, artistic freedoms, apartheid on, apartheid off, women's liberation, homosexuality, a black president in the US, a female British PM.

Change is inevitable.

[mrj]

i tink da nexd stayg of evolushun is defnitly moar lol speeks.

and thats not maslows heirarchy of needs al.

Self Actualisation
Esteem
Love Affection and Belonginess
Safety
Physiological

all the things you listed are in the physiological category and maslow didn't separate em

Also Maslows was very western centric. There has been research that has suggested that if you created Maslow Heirarchy in Asia the order would be quite different, potentially with belongingness at the top!

[mrj]

also i think we should separate social and physical evolution

in terms of physical evolution i think we are moving at the slowest pace in history. really how is the human body changing except for mebbe the appendix shrinking.

[huge]

spiral that is whack!

[almax]

course we are.
but not at the rapid pace of our ancestors due to environment etc, thats all.

Yeah I am not sure evolution ever happened quicker, I think that is just a perception because when you look back it is hard to imagine the time it took for us to change from one form to another. I don't know the science on this though.

Yeah i think we are evolving at an exponential rate.
Look up the webs of maya on you tube, it shows a speaker facing up under a cloth emitting frequencies at a higher and higher pitch, salt is sprinkled over the cloth and the salt rearranges into various patterns depending on the frequencies. The higher the freq, the more complex the pattern.
Now research has indicated that the earth has a frequency referred to as the Schumann Resonance, it is believed that the frequency is becoming higher, and yes, perhaps 2012 will see a frequency shift.
So if you look into how frequencies came affect us on a molecular basis, it begs the question, will we become more complex if this frequency changes?
Interesting theory

[almax]

i tink da nexd stayg of evolushun is defnitly moar lol speeks.

and thats not maslows heirarchy of needs al.

Self Actualisation
Esteem
Love Affection and Belonginess
Safety
Physiological

all the things you listed are in the physiological category and maslow didn't separate em

Also Maslows was very western centric. There has been research that has suggested that if you created Maslow Heirarchy in Asia the order would be quite different, potentially with belongingness at the top!

ah whoops, been awhile since i did psych, whos is that then (i didnt include sex in the list)

actually, i think what i put up was the physiological part broken down

[fooishbar]

Yeah i think we are evolving at an exponential rate.
Look up the webs of maya on you tube, it shows a speaker facing up under a cloth emitting frequencies at a higher and higher pitch, salt is sprinkled over the cloth and the salt rearranges into various patterns depending on the frequencies. The higher the freq, the more complex the pattern.
Now research has indicated that the core of the earth has a massive crystal in it which omits a frequency referred to as the Schumann Resonance, it is believed that the frequency is becoming higher, and yes, perhaps 2012 will see a frequency shift.
So if you look into how frequencies came affect us on a molecular basis, it begs the question, will we become more complex if this frequency changes?
Interesting theory

deep.

[almax]

Yeah i think we are evolving at an exponential rate.
Look up the webs of maya on you tube, it shows a speaker facing up under a cloth emitting frequencies at a higher and higher pitch, salt is sprinkled over the cloth and the salt rearranges into various patterns depending on the frequencies. The higher the freq, the more complex the pattern.
Now research has indicated that the core of the earth has a massive crystal in it which omits a frequency referred to as the Schumann Resonance, it is believed that the frequency is becoming higher, and yes, perhaps 2012 will see a frequency shift.
So if you look into how frequencies came affect us on a molecular basis, it begs the question, will we become more complex if this frequency changes?
Interesting theory

deep.

and incorrect, its no the crystal that omits the frequency (duh)

[C.I.A.]

also i think we should separate social and physical evolution

in terms of physical evolution i think we are moving at the slowest pace in history. really how is the human body changing except for mebbe the appendix shrinking.

Our mouths have srunk a bit and wisdom teeth are vestigial and a pain in the ass.

We are actually working against further physical evolution... modern medicine has meant that people who would otherwise have died at birth etc are alive and passing on their genes.

If we started producing designer babies, then that could be considered to be physical evolution, but I don't think that shit is legal. Also, I am against wiping out heterozygous diversity... the recessive allele for sickle-cell anemia provides protection in its heterozygous form from malaria.

Who knows what other benefits are provided by genes that have a tendency to be seen as 'bad' when they are expressed as homozygous phenotypes?!

[Polecat]

the SPider is sold! $10,000 US!



http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0265903424

[C.I.A.]

Thanks for an interesting afternoon's converstion, folks!

me go now brain fried TIMmeeahhhhghhh

Edit: lolz. !0k for an internet meme.

they accidentally the whole meme.

[mrj]

I ACCIEDNATLLY THE WOHLE SPIDER!

[*catalyst]

I need a lighter.

[almax]

OMG Ligers actually exist! who woulda thunk it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liger

[nic]

all my dreams may come true tonight!
Clipz,Caspa,Rusko

:LFO: :RINGTONES: :GLOWSTICKS:

[system]

Speaking of capitalism, I found out that blue collar workers call white collar workers "shiny bums".

Was in this OH&S induction with about 25 blokes and the guy presenting the thing walked in and was all "I know you are all sitting there thinking I'm a shiny bum, but I started out doing real work like you blokes".

can anyone shed light on why managers and CEOs are 'shiny bums'?

sitting on your bum in suit pants all day makes the arse area go shiny from wear, hence the term.

[almax]

[deviant]

[mrj]

morning everyone.

[Zerotonine]

Morning everyone! Great pictures up above

[DBoy]

morning fellas. Good weekends?

[mrj]

yah, feeling it a bit tho.

ah well, do the crime, yadda yadda yadda

[Feigan]

Morning Peeps

My brain isn't working proper yet

[Direkt]

Good moaning.

Love those pics Al.

Classic.

[Stray]

lol Al!

[kronz]

Morning beaters,

I'm sick today. However i still have to work from home. FUCKMA!

[Blaxter]

Morning Beaters,

Can haz weekend sickness also.

[Friday]

haha. those pics are awesome al.

morning all

[mixtress]

Good morning peepers.

I woke up with a nose bleed this morning. Haven't had one of those for about 24 years.

[FoundationStepper]

sleep picking can be a problem

mittens ftw

[mixtress]

I'm researching self help sleep-picking groups atm...

[Fents]

wrc rally champs in coffs this past weekend...

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7fgy8 ... 2008_sport

thats my bro in the top right hand corner "yahooing" as the car goes past.

[deviant]

OMG ONLY 45 MINS OF WORK LEFT BEFORE 5 WEEKS OFF!!!!!!!!!!!

w00t!

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[Direkt]

5 weeks... nice one mate.

Why did u work today though? Could have had another 3 days off in a row.

[Blaxter]

5 weeks... nice one mate.

Why did u work today though? Could have had another 3 days off in a row.

So he had something to whinge about.