Justice faking their live sets?

andy_hoffman · Post by **andy_hoffman** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 6:43 pm

"Poor old Justice are having a hard week. Last Thursday the duo admitted in an interview that their album [†] contained at least 400 uncleared samples, and now comes this photo which shows the pair faking it during a live set.

The MIDI controller on the left ain’t plugged in, but the tall fuzzy-haired one is pretending that it is - he’s got an intense concentrated look on his face whilst moving the faders and knobs. Busted!

A close up reveals the MIDI controller to be unplugged
The thing is - this may not be the best place to discuss this topic - live electronic music is a hard thing to do.

Anyone with a shred of understanding of how the music is made knows that it’s near impossible to play electronic music 100% live, unless you have the talent of somebody like The Bays, who can play improvised dance music using only instruments.

Daft Punk might just be the best live dance act of the last few years, but their set is pre-programmed down to every last beat.

When you’ve got a superbly powerful light show and a giant pyramid light thingy in sync with the music, there’s no way the show could be pulled off without pre-programming it.

So what are dance bands like Justice supposed to do? At least make an effort, and control some of the filters and FX to give the impression of a live performance.

Or remember to plug the damn MIDI controllers in and smile."

Hahaha, douches!

Flash · Post by **Flash** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 7:01 pm

lol pwnt.

DBoy · Post by **DBoy** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:21 pm

Funny way to get busted, can you imagine standing there for 1.5 + hours pretending to work the knobs?

I remember the acid days when melbourne cats at TBH, TBA parties would bring a table of toys and set up to play live. Not using one midi controller to pull it off but use multiple boxes. Hard bloody work, but can be done. Bit easier with acid when you are using heaps of 303 effects and the drum lines only need to progress, bump in or out, as the set progresses every 5 or more minutes, but can be done.

nic · Post by **nic** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:35 pm

apparently it was taken right at the moment it came unplugged according to them.
but then again they are french so you can never really trust what they say

they also look really weird

obliveus · Post by **obliveus** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:24 pm

Saw Gotye at the Prince earlier in the year with Spiesdogg and Co. He did the whole set by himself, including singing, playin drums, effects, loops n everything in between. Tons of sequencing n stuff like that I know not of, but I know the album and he pulled off a lot of it, while also making up a lot of new shit on the spot. It was rad.

I know it's not the same kind of music, but he triggered a lot of stuff...or so it seemed. He could've just been playin a CD back there for all I know, cuz I couldn't see. But if so, then he should win an Oscar for the best fricken performance of all time.

Er, yeah...

Hardy · Post by **Hardy** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 12:10 am

nic wrote:apparently it was taken right at the moment it came unplugged according to them.
but then again they are french so you can never really trust what they say

they also look really weird

I also read this, but they are ugly Frenchmen so i'm not really inclined to believe them.

tactik · Post by **tactik** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 12:18 am

For all you munters, the USB cable IS sitting right there behind the unit, as if it has come out... and considering the MPD24 can be both powered and send MIDI through the USB connection, then the "intense concentrated look" is then plausibly explained by him realising that he is no longer getting any control from his controller.

Nice work on the assumptions though.

almax · Post by **almax** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 12:27 am

DBoy wrote: Funny way to get busted, can you imagine standing there for 1.5 + hours pretending to work the knobs?

I remember the acid days when melbourne cats at TBH, TBA parties would bring a table of toys and set up to play live. Not using one midi controller to pull it off but use multiple boxes. Hard bloody work, but can be done. Bit easier with acid when you are using heaps of 303 effects and the drum lines only need to progress, bump in or out, as the set progresses every 5 or more minutes, but can be done.

shit yeah, just the sight of this massive table of gear was fuckin cool, i remember Honeysmack used to go nuts, get all sweaty, then kill the music and announce he was thirsty, proceed to drink then crank it all up again. You could see him build the track, he would touch one piece of equipment and a new noise would come in.
Flying Lotus was a badman on the MPD too i thought, he was definately live, a little sloppy in places but overall pretty damn tight i thought, used humour well in his set too.

nic · Post by **nic** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 6:31 am

tactik wrote:For all you munters, the USB cable IS sitting right there behind the unit, as if it has come out... and considering the MPD24 can be both powered and send MIDI through the USB connection, then the "intense concentrated look" is then plausibly explained by him realising that he is no longer getting any control from his controller.

Nice work on the assumptions though.

not very australian siding with the french imo

andy_hoffman · Post by **andy_hoffman** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 6:41 am

nic wrote:
tactik wrote:For all you munters, the USB cable IS sitting right there behind the unit, as if it has come out... and considering the MPD24 can be both powered and send MIDI through the USB connection, then the "intense concentrated look" is then plausibly explained by him realising that he is no longer getting any control from his controller.

Nice work on the assumptions though.
not very australian siding with the french imo

CROISSANT!

Hardy · Post by **Hardy** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 9:59 am

nic wrote:
tactik wrote:For all you munters, the USB cable IS sitting right there behind the unit, as if it has come out... and considering the MPD24 can be both powered and send MIDI through the USB connection, then the "intense concentrated look" is then plausibly explained by him realising that he is no longer getting any control from his controller.

Nice work on the assumptions though.
not very australian siding with the french imo

tactik = french imo

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:16 am

I dunno, they look pretty fuckin busted to me!

i never liked justice's tunes anyways...never understood the hype really

obliveus wrote:Saw Gotye at the Prince earlier in the year with Spiesdogg and Co. He did the whole set by himself, including singing, playin drums, effects, loops n everything in between. Tons of sequencing n stuff like that I know not of, but I know the album and he pulled off a lot of it, while also making up a lot of new shit on the spot. It was rad.

I know it's not the same kind of music, but he triggered a lot of stuff...or so it seemed. He could've just been playin a CD back there for all I know, cuz I couldn't see. But if so, then he should win an Oscar for the best fricken performance of all time.

im pretty much in love with gotye after that gig.
and i know his management, and he was playing it all live. and it was incredible.

and i remember honeysmack doing that too al....fucking legend....

i dunno, britney can fake it and nobody really cares, i bet most people who buy justice's albums dont care either.....times have changed hehehe

nic · Post by **nic** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:20 am

justice make good tunes for french people

tacktic

BUM BAN BURN the french sympathy man

deejaypcp · Post by **deejaypcp** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:31 am

I have it on very good word they don't play live. They press play and then jump around and play with their knobs.
Pretty much the main reason I didn't go and see them.
My mate runs a festival they played at in Brisbane last year and filled me in over breakfast one sunny morning. Oh how we laughed.

I spent about a week chasing up fake marshall stacks which ac/dc have stored somewhere in Melbourne for Justice to use on stage too. In the end I couldn't find them.

At least you can see Angus Young playing his guitar.

Justice were a hot act at the time but probably couldn't play rhythm sticks.

Hardy · Post by **Hardy** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:33 am

I loved their sound when they first hit, but it wore off quickly. Plus, you know, French.

nic · Post by **nic** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:35 am

run and hide in wars tbh

Stray · Post by **Stray** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:36 am

No one has mentioned the samples issue, but that is all bullshit too.. all the samples that were recognizable they paid for.
They used many other samples and fucked with them so much you couldn't tell what they were originally.. which if you know copyright laws means they
aren't required to compensate the original artist.
If you don't believe Justice do their shit live, then watch their latest DVD.. shit is off the hook.

nic · Post by **nic** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:39 am

once again ill say, as far as french music goes its pretty good.
who cares if its not really 'live' tbh.

id rather be ravig than staring at midi contrlolers

deejaypcp · Post by **deejaypcp** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:39 am

As for their 400 uncleared samples?

Well I wonder if they buy their mp3s for dj sets.

And here we all sit behind desks trying to mull of the ethics of playing a few illegally downloaded tracks, because we understand what it takes to create music and respect that.

These guys have admitted to being blatant thieves of peoples music and busted with their pants down. Fuck em. They should probably choke on the escargot.

Stray. They don't play live. Well maybe on their video they do.
I couldn't care less though. Kids fuckin love it. Everyone wins

Hardy · Post by **Hardy** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:42 am

Stray wrote:No one has mentioned the samples issue, but that is all bullshit too.. all the samples that were recognizable they paid for.
They used many other samples and fucked with them so much you couldn't tell what they were originally.. which if you know copyright laws means they
aren't required to compensate the original artist.
If you don't believe Justice do their shit live, then watch their latest DVD.. shit is off the hook.

Yeah the sample issue is nothing imo (and in the law's opinion). As long as they clear the blatent and obvious ones (which i'm sure they did), then they're okay.

nic · Post by **nic** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:43 am

dj pcp in jealous racist shocker

deejaypcp · Post by **deejaypcp** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:44 am

oh god.
not again.

razyier · Post by **razyier** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:52 am

many lols if it's true. the sample thing is nothing - much more blatant sampling biznizz goes on, hell we all know if people got technical dnb/hiphop would owe the winston brothers hundreds of millions of dollars

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deejaypcp · Post by **deejaypcp** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:56 am

fair call.

it's funny how people damn djs who play the odd stolen song yet think it's ok to sample something for profit.

name and shame?

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 11:03 am

nic wrote:run and hide in wars tbh

mrj · Post by **mrj** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 11:29 am

couldn't care less. as long as whoever is playing twists nobs in a dramatic fashion and pumps the air with their fist, then then can plug their midi controller into their ass and drum machine into their cock for all I give a shit.

actually i'm pretty sure thats how you make dubstep.

Hardy · Post by **Hardy** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 11:32 am

mrj wrote:couldn't care less. as long as whoever is playing twists nobs in a dramatic fashion and pumps the air with their fist, then then can plug their midi controller into their ass and drum machine into their cock for all I give a shit.

actually i'm pretty sure thats how you make dubstep.

I would pay double to see that

a1studmuffin · Post by **a1studmuffin** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 12:30 pm

mrj wrote:couldn't care less. as long as whoever is playing twists nobs in a dramatic fashion and pumps the air with their fist, then then can plug their midi controller into their ass and drum machine into their cock for all I give a shit.

actually i'm pretty sure thats how you make dubstep.

That would make THE BEST YouTube production tutorial.

aroes · Post by **aroes** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 12:58 pm

The guy on our left has a futuristic penis tattooed on his arm

Gliding High · Post by **Gliding High** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 1:07 pm

That is pretty lame.
Personally I think they've been caught out bigtime.

yenks · Post by **yenks** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 1:14 pm

lol I reckon they are faking it.

I use a similar setup myself with the Akai 32. and trust me when the cord comes unplugged (happend once to me, cos i was moving shit around) you notice it. The blue LED screen goes off and you lose all the other small LED lights. Seriously you cant not notice it turning off.

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 1:23 pm

-aroes- wrote:The guy on our left has a futuristic penis tattooed on his arm

what a shit tatt imho.

'yeah like, we just put out an album, and weve used this like, totally origional design, its a CROSS, but all fat, cause we make techno and shit, but I dont mind of you make it look kinda like, a like, futuristic penis casue thats so like, where our music is heading next, and also it will offset the fact that we like, dont plug our shit in and we jsut make our hair really messy and look freaked out and everyone loves it cause were french and shit"

mrj · Post by **mrj** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 1:26 pm

a1studmuffin wrote:
mrj wrote:couldn't care less. as long as whoever is playing twists nobs in a dramatic fashion and pumps the air with their fist, then then can plug their midi controller into their ass and drum machine into their cock for all I give a shit.

actually i'm pretty sure thats how you make dubstep.
That would make THE BEST YouTube production tutorial.

ROFL. Definitley. Dubstep tutorial featuring such techniques as farting into a microphone.

bonsai · Post by **bonsai** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 2:19 pm

mrj wrote: as long as whoever is playing twists nobs in a dramatic fashion and pumps the air with their fist, then then can plug their midi controller into their ass and drum machine into their cock for all I give a shit.

actually i'm pretty sure thats how you make dubstep.

best. dubstep does actually sound like methane being extracted

aroes · Post by **aroes** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 3:01 pm

ghetto kitty wrote:
-aroes- wrote:The guy on our left has a futuristic penis tattooed on his arm

what a shit tatt imho.

'yeah like, we just put out an album, and weve used this like, totally origional design, its a CROSS, but all fat, cause we make techno and shit, but I dont mind of you make it look kinda like, a like, futuristic penis casue thats so like, where our music is heading next, and also it will offset the fact that we like, dont plug our shit in and we jsut make our hair really messy and look freaked out and everyone loves it cause were french and shit"

patch · Post by **patch** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 3:30 pm

the dude on the right looks possesed

fakers or not, they make sick music

aroes · Post by **aroes** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 4:02 pm

yeah i quite like a few of their tunes
penis or no penis

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 4:03 pm

i was only being friday hyperactive scathing kitty when i wrote that..

some of their tracks are ok, but they are still way over hyped imo..

mxmai · Post by **mxmai** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 4:24 pm

i read a response by them somewhere, something along the lines of "oh yeah, i remember that gig, yeah, the cable accidentally came out, what can you do?"

er, plug it back in, maybe?

a1studmuffin · Post by **a1studmuffin** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 4:42 pm

I think they said someone snapped the photo right as it happened though... unavoidable really, it's like being a celebrity and having your tit pop out for a second at the beach... sure you can tuck it back in quickly, but the Paparazzi damage is done.

Smile on Impact · Post by **Smile on Impact** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 4:54 pm

a1studmuffin wrote:..... unavoidable really, it's like being a celebrity and having your tit pop out for a second at the beach... sure you can tuck it back in quickly, but the Paparazzi damage is done.

Personal experience?

deejaypcp · Post by **deejaypcp** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 4:55 pm

I was pretty impressed by their whole concept originally.
When I heard they just press play live I kind of went off them.

Sure anyone can say "i could do that" and maybe they could.
I'm sure they (or someone else) worked pretty hard on the "live" show and their music is
good enough to get them to that stage.
I just couldn't care less.
Give me a band any day.

As much as people say it's hard to play electronic music live, I say it's just easier to fake it.

a1studmuffin · Post by **a1studmuffin** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 5:22 pm

Smile on Impact wrote:Personal experience?

Google "Butter+Party+tit+pop"

Post by **fooishbar** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 5:52 pm

patch wrote:the dude on the right looks possesed

posessed alice cooper.

nic · Post by **nic** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 7:13 pm

with some noel fielding on his face
good thread

deviant · Post by **deviant** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 3:09 am

wont somebody think of Peter Hook!

nic · Post by **nic** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 4:52 am

eurgh eurgh eurgh

youthful_implants · Post by **youthful_implants** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:07 am

nic wrote:once again ill say, as far as french music goes its pretty good.
who cares if its not really 'live' tbh.

id rather be ravig than staring at midi contrlolers

the french have always been world leaders in dance music, but everyone knows that.

spiral · Post by **spiral** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:51 am

deviant wrote:wont somebody think of Peter Hook!

at least Peter Hook has played bass on some of the greatest songs ever

nic · Post by **nic** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:23 pm

nearyl 2 pages
anyone seen the justice 'doco'?

not bad