dubstep from the biased eyes of a drum and bass addict

bonsai · Post by **bonsai** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 6:07 am

many people here know my opinion of dubstep. its not personal, purely provocative.

i support, appreciate and respect artists that use original ideas and intuitive production techniques.

dubstep djs, producers and fans seem to believe that it will take over dnb/jungle, but it is in fact a completely different genre, with neither the technicality nor anywhere NEAR as much dancefloor energy.

the sounds used in dubstep tunes are dnb/jungle samples and synths. who honestly wants to hear the same sounds we've heard for 15 years, recycled at -100bpm.

in my opinion I believe dubstep, as a genre, uses Drum and Bass as a promotional tool. eg. dnb forums, myspace and dnb gigs/flyers.

dubstep is passe

youthful_implants · Post by **youthful_implants** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 6:41 am

play some f**ken breaks tbh

Post by **fooishbar** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 6:53 am

bonsai wrote:dubstep djs, producers and fans seem to believe that it will take over dnb/jungle

who?

bonsai wrote:but it is in fact a completely different genre, with neither the technicality nor anywhere NEAR as much dancefloor energy.

ok.

bonsai wrote:the sounds used in dubstep tunes are dnb/jungle samples and synths. who honestly wants to hear the same sounds we've heard for 15 years, recycled at -100bpm.

in my opinion I believe dubstep, as a genre, uses Drum and Bass as a promotional tool. eg. dnb forums, myspace and dnb gigs/flyers.

dubstep is passe

to each their own.

obliveus · Post by **obliveus** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 8:01 am

Are we talking dubstep or donkstep?

youthful_implants · Post by **youthful_implants** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 9:16 am

Benny I think you should embrace the dubstep.

Kaiproject · Post by **Kaiproject** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 9:50 am

bonsai wrote: the sounds used in dubstep tunes are dnb/jungle samples and synths. who honestly wants to hear the same sounds we've heard for 15 years, recycled at -100bpm.

in my opinion I believe dubstep, as a genre, uses Drum and Bass as a promotional tool. eg. dnb forums, myspace and dnb gigs/flyers.

lol.

actually usually more like 70bpm. but at least there are tracks that double it and start kickin it a bit more. good to be able to have that variety depending on what you feel like playing and mix it up for the audience a bit

but i agree with yi play some breaks

same o · Post by **same o** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:08 am

140 is the future get to know.

hahahha

Flash · Post by **Flash** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:57 am

aroes · Post by **aroes** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:00 am

bonsai wrote: dubstep djs, producers and fans seem to believe that it will take over dnb/jungle

it probably will

bonsai wrote: but it is in fact a completely different genre

very observant

bonsai wrote: with neither the technicality nor anywhere NEAR as much dancefloor energy.

wrong

bonsai wrote:the sounds used in dubstep tunes are dnb/jungle samples and synths. who honestly wants to hear the same sounds we've heard for 15 years, recycled at -100bpm.

lol

bonsai wrote:in my opinion I believe dubstep, as a genre, uses Drum and Bass as a promotional tool. eg. dnb forums, myspace and dnb gigs/flyers.

argument

bonsai wrote:dubstep is passe

no, dnb is

nic · Post by **nic** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:46 am

oh gog

if u are scared small man, go, run, hide
i will pander by your doth weak bedside
as you flounder restless in bed
tucked up tight with teebees favourite ted

play some breaks and get a grip imo.

deviant · Post by **deviant** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:55 am

100 bpm lol

tee193 · Post by **tee193** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:57 am

so aroes your saying a dubstep crowd has more energy than a jungle or dnb crowd...wild statement

Raider · Post by **Raider** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 12:20 pm

There does seem to be a strong mentality that dubstep will TAKE OVER! ooooooo!

Why would you even want that? Popularity of one genre at the expense of another? Why can't we have both? And also, why link it with dnb if you have that mentality? LINK IT WITH TECHNO AND HAVE A BILLION FANS when you take over the genre!

Sound rediculous? It's exactly the same mentality.

Stray · Post by **Stray** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 12:26 pm

bonsai wrote: the sounds used in dnb/jungle tunes are hiphop samples and synths. who honestly wants to hear the same sounds we've heard for 15 years, recycled at -170bpm?

fixed!

enigneyratorelknaw · Post by **enigneyratorelknaw** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 1:46 pm

If your scared of a dubsteppers take over you probably should advoid starting threads like this, will only work in their favour...

Doesn't matter if dubstep becomes the new r'n'b, just hit play on any genre you like and enjoy. Music is always accessable.

fear is fun, enjoy it

aroes · Post by **aroes** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 1:50 pm

tee193 wrote:so aroes your saying a dubstep crowd has more energy than a jungle or dnb crowd...wild statement

na whey man
i'm just saying they're DIFFERENT that's all
if you knew me you'd know that all i've done for about the last 6 yrs is buy jungle records, so i'm not dissing jungle, i LOVE it. i just reckon the whole thread is dumb
tongue was firmly in cheek mate
jungle/dubstep......it's all good!!!!!!!

peace t193!!!

Hardy · Post by **Hardy** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 2:58 pm

nic wrote:oh gog

if u are scared small man, go, run, hide
i will pander by your doth weak bedside
as you flounder restless in bed
tucked up tight with teebees favourite ted

play some breaks and get a grip imo.

Dry your eyes princess

spin · Post by **spin** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:01 pm

i wrote a really long winded statement about this, accidentally deleted it, now i cant be fucked. diversity is a blessing.

bonsai · Post by **bonsai** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:08 pm

Flash wrote: ?

trying

i'm happy to jump on the bandwagon once I hear something creative and original...

i dont fear dubstep, in fact the complete opposite... i like to listen to some of it occasionally.

Hardy · Post by **Hardy** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 5:09 pm

bonsai wrote: trying

Why?

bonsai · Post by **bonsai** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 5:44 pm

because this IS a discussion forum, Mr Hardy

nic · Post by **nic** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 6:57 pm

wot if u went to a rave that had both ?

or even moar? dubstepb2bjungleb2bhiphopb2bhouse?

zomg

put a banging donk on it

mixtress · Post by **mixtress** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 1:51 am

http://melbournebeats.com/forum/viewtop ... 13&t=15576

cammo · Post by **cammo** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 1:24 pm

wa gwan benni
i see ya point but there is a bigger picture

"many people here know my opinion of dubstep. its not personal, purely provocative.
i support, appreciate and respect artists that use original ideas and intuitive production techniques."

true

"dubstep djs, producers and fans seem to believe that it will take over dnb/jungle, but it is in fact a completely different genre, with neither the technicality nor anywhere NEAR as much dancefloor energy."

i dont believe its taking over, its just getting popular. it is a different genre. i dont see why the two need to be compared. technically the space in the beats leads more room for bass to be explored on a soundsystem. the same energy of music on a big rig can be seen today as in the ska rockstaedy days of the 50-60s. dubstep does have the same energy on a dancefloor, check/youtube dmz, dubwarz or even our local wobble. its worldwide

"the sounds used in dubstep tunes are dnb/jungle samples and synths. who honestly wants to hear the same sounds we've heard for 15 years, recycled at -100bpm."

sounds and samples are sourced from a wide range of influeneces, dub, reggae, hip hop, two step, garage, idm, techno, house, electro, dnb n jungle
reason i dont listen to dnb much these days is because dnb has been using the same sounds for 15 years as you say. i think its great hearing those old sounds we love in a different format.

"in my opinion I believe dubstep, as a genre, uses Drum and Bass as a promotional tool. eg. dnb forums, myspace and dnb gigs/flyers."

disagree with this one. guessing alot of dnb heads are now feeling dubstep and are using the same forums they have always used. myspace open to anyone, flyers im guessing the same designers are doing the same flyers. you cant say any of my flyers look like dnb flyers

"dubstep is passe"

dont think so. cant remeber the first release but its been here a while
top of my head lets think of how many dnb producers are making dubstep
a-sides
breakage
chasing shadows (check these guys out on myspace, heavy)
chase n status
ed rush (did a tune for skream)
martyn
evol Intent
kryptic minds & leon switch
noisia
skynet
Tech Itch
cern
bulletproof
spl
benny page
black sun empire
rob sparx
n a hell of a lot more

Hardy · Post by **Hardy** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 1:40 pm

cammo wrote: chasing shadows (check these guys out on myspace, heavy)

Understatement of the year

bonsai · Post by **bonsai** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 4:35 pm

cammo wrote:wa gwan benni
i see ya point but there is a bigger picture

"many people here know my opinion of dubstep. its not personal, purely provocative.
i support, appreciate and respect artists that use original ideas and intuitive production techniques."

true

"dubstep djs, producers and fans seem to believe that it will take over dnb/jungle, but it is in fact a completely different genre, with neither the technicality nor anywhere NEAR as much dancefloor energy."

i dont believe its taking over, its just getting popular. it is a different genre. i dont see why the two need to be compared. technically the space in the beats leads more room for bass to be explored on a soundsystem. the same energy of music on a big rig can be seen today as in the ska rockstaedy days of the 50-60s. dubstep does have the same energy on a dancefloor, check/youtube dmz, dubwarz or even our local wobble. its worldwide

"the sounds used in dubstep tunes are dnb/jungle samples and synths. who honestly wants to hear the same sounds we've heard for 15 years, recycled at -100bpm."

sounds and samples are sourced from a wide range of influeneces, dub, reggae, hip hop, two step, garage, idm, techno, house, electro, dnb n jungle
reason i dont listen to dnb much these days is because dnb has been using the same sounds for 15 years as you say. i think its great hearing those old sounds we love in a different format.

"in my opinion I believe dubstep, as a genre, uses Drum and Bass as a promotional tool. eg. dnb forums, myspace and dnb gigs/flyers."

disagree with this one. guessing alot of dnb heads are now feeling dubstep and are using the same forums they have always used. myspace open to anyone, flyers im guessing the same designers are doing the same flyers. you cant say any of my flyers look like dnb flyers

"dubstep is passe"

dont think so. cant remeber the first release but its been here a while
top of my head lets think of how many dnb producers are making dubstep
a-sides
breakage
chasing shadows (check these guys out on myspace, heavy)
chase n status
ed rush (did a tune for skream)
martyn
evol Intent
kryptic minds & leon switch
noisia
skynet
Tech Itch
cern
bulletproof
spl
benny page
black sun empire
rob sparx
n a hell of a lot more

cheers for your response cammo!

i'm checkin the above artists for fresh sounds. i like benny page's sound, panpipes/trigger finger are two of my favs.

your fliers are defo some of the best out there when it comes to artwork, and I believe what is being conveyed graphically fits the musical profile perfectly.

Stray · Post by **Stray** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:53 pm

Snoop Dogg Millionaire

Watch the posted video on YouTube.

tactik · Post by **tactik** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:00 am

I don't have any particular affection for dubstep. As in, I dislike most of it.

But there are a few things that bonsai seems to have arse-backwards;

re; dancefloor energy.
The Skream & Benga gig at Hifi Bar... which I wouldn't have gone to except my brother loves dubstep.. was wicked. The whole place was jumping... and BPM has precisely nada to do with how much energy a crowd has on the floor... Especially considering most people I have seen dancing to d&b or (attempting to dance to) jungle, first off, have no rhythm and secondly go halftime anyways (160-180 becomes 80-90bpm).

With heavy dubstep tunes it seems people just go doubletime if it's a hefty tune... the energy is in the modulated lead lines.

But there was no difference in dancefloor energy to most of the d&b gigs I've been at.

re; sound style.
Well this depends on the dubstep your playing.
I didn't hear a single "d&b" synth at the Skream & Benga gig. Not one.
In fact most of the heavy dubstep I've heard seems to use a totally different, highly-modulated FM-synth sound which would never be used in d&b tunes.

re; dubstep takeover.
What's it going to take over exactly?

It seems a lot of jungle and d&b heads haven't taken to dubstep. I was/am the same.
I would say that if you haven't heard heavy dubstep on a really big system.. then you wouldn't understand (not that I'm saying you haven't, of course).

I still dislike most dubstep, it seems quite boring to me (give me a surgically rearranged amen any day).. and as such, I'd never listen to it on a car stereo or at home - But it was great at the gig.

Just my $0.02

Post by **fooishbar** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:59 am

Stray wrote:Snoop Dogg Millionaire
Watch the posted video on YouTube.

you suck stray

deviant · Post by **deviant** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 7:48 am

tactik --> word

I still can't figure what the fuck the OP is on about tbh. I gather he doesn't like dubstep, but the rest doesn't make much sense.

bonsai wrote:its not personal, purely provocative.

Post by **huge** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:13 am

pretty lol tbh.

Post by **fooishbar** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:35 am

lpeake wrote:There does seem to be a strong mentality that dubstep will TAKE OVER! ooooooo!

Why would you even want that? Popularity of one genre at the expense of another? Why can't we have both? And also, why link it with dnb if you have that mentality? LINK IT WITH TECHNO AND HAVE A BILLION FANS when you take over the genre!

Sound rediculous? It's exactly the same mentality.

i'll give you ridiculous.

aroes · Post by **aroes** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:05 am

looks pretty plausible to me

Spherix · Post by **Spherix** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:31 am

when you say without the technicality, what do you mean?

not all dubstep is the same, just like not all dnb is the same

Kaiproject · Post by **Kaiproject** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:47 am

too true lpeake, the idea of genre take-over is silly anyway

it comes back to the 'underground' debate. if dubstep is becoming 'big' and seems threatening to some, there's still the issue of if it becomes too big, will it cease to be 'cool' ('underground') and will people jump off the bandwagon and will it die down like everyone rekns happened to breaks?
or will it kick on and become the next electrohouse and be massive at all the mainstream festivals? don't see that happening personally. bass culture is too 'deep' (pardon the pun) for that crowd. and all the djs/producers who're pushing it probably see themselves as 'underground' and wouldn't stay on? i dunno you tell me

nic · Post by **nic** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:05 pm

Stray wrote:Snoop Dogg Millionaire
Watch the posted video on YouTube.

http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.p ... &start=680

35 pages, 28k views

LOL

flippo · Post by **flippo** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:36 pm

what's this shit with talking about genres like they are some kind of tangible entity that you can objectivley define, and rationallly talk about in terms of having some kind of manifesto, like it's some kind of organisation that you join. Dubstep does this, dubstep does that? how can a genre do anything? It's an adjective used to describe certain related musical aesthetics, it manifests itself relativley passivley from individuals influncing eachother through the web of everyday culture and art. You hear a sound that you like and it influences your own work and tastes, and gorups of like minded individuals get caught up in the same cultural tide. It's not some kind of syndicate that you join up and align yourself with, that plots and schemes against 'rival' genres. No one comes around with a clipboard saying "we're building a new genre to 'take over' Drum 'n Bass!". If you produce at both tempos does that make you double agent or something?

teh epic lolz tbh imo

deviant · Post by **deviant** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:38 pm

Kaiproject wrote:or will it kick on and become the next electrohouse and be massive at all the mainstream festivals?

dubstep has been at most of the major festivals in Europe for a few years now.

Direkt · Post by **Direkt** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:40 pm

This is a funny read.

Kaiproject · Post by **Kaiproject** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:10 pm

deviant wrote:
Kaiproject wrote:or will it kick on and become the next electrohouse and be massive at all the mainstream festivals?
dubstep has been at most of the major festivals in Europe for a few years now.

massive at all of them ie. mainstages all the time? is what i meant. and yeah more regarding australia i guess. anyway point taken.

whatever im saying no more

/agrees with flippo

Hardy · Post by **Hardy** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:13 pm

Flipples speaks truth and knows... things.

Good with fish too.

Post by **fooishbar** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:19 pm

Hardy wrote:Flipples speaks truth and knows... things.

Good with fish too.

tings hardy, he knows _tings_.

seriously though, truth. even if some people are all 'rah dubstep is the future of music and i don't want to listen to anyone else' ... that's just one overexcited person's hopinion.

deviant · Post by **deviant** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 2:30 pm

flippo wrote:what's this shit with talking about genres like they are some kind of tangible entity that you can objectivley define, and rationallly talk about in terms of having some kind of manifesto, like it's some kind of organisation that you join. Dubstep does this, dubstep does that? how can a genre do anything? It's an adjective used to describe certain related musical aesthetics, it manifests itself relativley passivley from individuals influncing eachother through the web of everyday culture and art. You hear a sound that you like and it influences your own work and tastes, and gorups of like minded individuals get caught up in the same cultural tide. It's not some kind of syndicate that you join up and align yourself with, that plots and schemes against 'rival' genres. No one comes around with a clipboard saying "we're building a new genre to 'take over' Drum 'n Bass!". If you produce at both tempos does that make you double agent or something?

teh epic lolz tbh imo

flippo · Post by **flippo** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 2:36 pm

nic wrote:oh gog

if u are scared small man, go, run, hide
i will pander by your doth weak bedside
as you flounder restless in bed
tucked up tight with teebees favourite ted

play some breaks and get a grip imo.

FoundationStepper · Post by **FoundationStepper** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:13 pm

i think the problem is that you like drum and bass more than it deserves

Direkt · Post by **Direkt** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:28 pm

Fucking hell... honestly... reminds me of kids who get upset when their parents don't like their music.

"My music is better than yours"... "Music these days, I just don't understand it".

If I yawned anymore I believe I would swallow myself whole.

FoundationStepper · Post by **FoundationStepper** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:29 pm

you are just saying that because you like drum and bass too much

Direkt · Post by **Direkt** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:31 pm

DEGENERATI0N · Post by **DEGENERATI0N** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 12:19 am

theres just nothing new enough about it that hasnt already been done by dnb but there is ONE advantage to dubstep and that is that it is still truly underground music.

when dubstep first hit the scene i hated it because it was all smokers delight and boring but now it has developed this colossal mutating tech doom filth aspect and even though i dont feel it will ever surpass dnb in any way shape or form it has definitely secured itself as "second best" in my books, and coming from such an anal music selector as myself, that is a huge compliment.

anybody who is lame enough to want to debate a persons individual prefrence should go tell your mum.

youthful_implants · Post by **youthful_implants** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 2:50 am

DEGENERATI0N wrote:
when dubstep first hit the scene i hated it because it was all smokers delight and boring but now it has developed this colossal mutating tech doom filth aspect and even though i dont feel it will ever surpass dnb in any way shape or form it has definitely secured itself as "second best" in my books, and coming from such an anal music selector as myself, that is a huge compliment.

that made me LOL.