hey as most of u know i am still at high school, i am doing media, and doing alot on media influence, ie. how the media influence's people.
i would like to just hear what peoples thoughts on censorship is, if they think that things like video games like manhunt promote or influence people to kill and all that sort of stuff..
thanks
media influence
on the weekend me and ADD boy went out and stole a car. After about two blocks we decided that we didn't like it and saw a better car, so we dumped the first one and jumped into a corvette. Nice as. We rammed about 3 police cars, ran over 10 pedestrians and robbed a bank.
We got caught twice, but got let off. We also died once or twice, but it doesn't matter, cause dieing is not really real, you like, just start back at my house again and it's all sweet.
I got some interesting Essays I did on this kinda of thing Pete, during my Sociology of the Mass Media subject, but bit hard to discuss here in short.
We got caught twice, but got let off. We also died once or twice, but it doesn't matter, cause dieing is not really real, you like, just start back at my house again and it's all sweet.
I got some interesting Essays I did on this kinda of thing Pete, during my Sociology of the Mass Media subject, but bit hard to discuss here in short.
if u could send em to me that would be really good i am really interested in this sort of stuff... atm we are basicly looking at communication models and theories...DBoy wrote:.
I got some interesting Essays I did on this kinda of thing Pete, during my Sociology of the Mass Media subject, but bit hard to discuss here in short.
i am just sort of wondering what peoples reaction to things like ken park being banned are.. if people have seen it do they think it should be banned..
lol.DBoy wrote:on the weekend me and ADD boy went out and stole a car. After about two blocks we decided that we didn't like it and saw a better car, so we dumped the first one and jumped into a corvette. Nice as. We rammed about 3 police cars, ran over 10 pedestrians and robbed a bank.
We got caught twice, but got let off. We also died once or twice, but it doesn't matter, cause dieing is not really real, you like, just start back at my house again and it's all sweet.
I got some interesting Essays I did on this kinda of thing Pete, during my Sociology of the Mass Media subject, but bit hard to discuss here in short.
environment + heredity = personality = behaviour
media is a part of environment, and more and more is present in ways that dont really consciously register. we are constantly barraged from every angle by multiple forms of media.
as for censorship, I hate to say it but it is at least partially required, although I believe some things are over censored, whilst others under censored.
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yo, i did this topic in year 12.. from what i can remember there were a few articles about little girls turning into pshyco's after watching scream movies and dudes becoming neo nazi's from watching snuff films etc.
It's all about your personal life and other social factors like your mental health and living conditions, friends and family etc that really influence people to do certain things. media may cause some influence but its not something you can place a blame on.
It depends on what theories you believe in and how media affects people. there a few different ones as im sure you would know but the only ones that really back up this are things like the bullet theory, where people can't think for themselves and they absorb information like a sponge, but this was proved to be a load of shit. So.... yeah, I can watch someone get killed and not want to do it, sometimes its good to be desensitized from an early age, sometimes its not.
if u want more shit lemme know i can pick my brain some more.
It's all about your personal life and other social factors like your mental health and living conditions, friends and family etc that really influence people to do certain things. media may cause some influence but its not something you can place a blame on.
It depends on what theories you believe in and how media affects people. there a few different ones as im sure you would know but the only ones that really back up this are things like the bullet theory, where people can't think for themselves and they absorb information like a sponge, but this was proved to be a load of shit. So.... yeah, I can watch someone get killed and not want to do it, sometimes its good to be desensitized from an early age, sometimes its not.
if u want more shit lemme know i can pick my brain some more.
the thing that really gets me worked up are these conservative religious nuts who have so much issue with nudity. Do these people shower in the dark with their eyes closed or something?
I think things like over censorship is typical of a society where nobody is willing to take responsibility for their actions or those of their children. I play something like GTA and have huge amounts of fun stealing cars and sniping people. I get off the computer and have no desire to do that in real life. If i did there would be something fundamentally wrong with my views and perceptions of the world.
I think things like over censorship is typical of a society where nobody is willing to take responsibility for their actions or those of their children. I play something like GTA and have huge amounts of fun stealing cars and sniping people. I get off the computer and have no desire to do that in real life. If i did there would be something fundamentally wrong with my views and perceptions of the world.
There's no justice, just us.
yeah brain picking would be good man.. i'll give u a call soon have a mix and do sum brain picking..crinklez wrote:yo, i did this topic in year 12.. from what i can remember there were a few articles about little girls turning into pshyco's after watching scream movies and dudes becoming neo nazi's from watching snuff films etc.
It's all about your personal life and other social factors like your mental health and living conditions, friends and family etc that really influence people to do certain things. media may cause some influence but its not something you can place a blame on.
It depends on what theories you believe in and how media affects people. there a few different ones as im sure you would know but the only ones that really back up this are things like the bullet theory, where people can't think for themselves and they absorb information like a sponge, but this was proved to be a load of shit. So.... yeah, I can watch someone get killed and not want to do it, sometimes its good to be desensitized from an early age, sometimes its not.
if u want more shit lemme know i can pick my brain some more.
i personally dont belive ny of the theories in the sense that i think that they all apply they are all wrong and all right because it all depends on the person.. this thread was basicly to see how people think that the media effects them and other people around them..
thanks for the feedback so far..
shhhhhhhhhh... nah i am good boy.. i just was interested to see what other people think so that i could perhaps factor it in, in my essays.. i personally disagree with censorship and the way people use games such as gta as a scapegoat.. however i was interested to see if people had different views to myne, and if they did i could factor it into my essays..Fents wrote:Can someone do my homework for me too?
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How is a computer game 'media'? Do you want to explore how the media influence people via opinion ... or whether there's a connection between simulated violence and real violence?sAme'0 wrote:hey as most of u know i am still at high school, i am doing media, and doing alot on media influence, ie. how the media influence's people.
i would like to just hear what peoples thoughts on censorship is, if they think that things like video games like manhunt promote or influence people to kill and all that sort of stuff..
thanks
Re: media influence
computer games are concidered a media form.. according to mi teacher and my text book. it is considered an interactive form of media.shepherd wrote:How is a computer game 'media'? Do you want to explore how the media influence people via opinion ... or whether there's a connection between simulated violence and real violence?sAme'0 wrote:hey as most of u know i am still at high school, i am doing media, and doing alot on media influence, ie. how the media influence's people.
i would like to just hear what peoples thoughts on censorship is, if they think that things like video games like manhunt promote or influence people to kill and all that sort of stuff..
thanks
thats not the point. a great majority of the population (at least the adult population) is able to seperate reality from fiction and make educated and rational decisions and form their own beliefs and morals via self analysis.aspekt wrote:the thing that really gets me worked up are these conservative religious nuts who have so much issue with nudity. Do these people shower in the dark with their eyes closed or something?
I think things like over censorship is typical of a society where nobody is willing to take responsibility for their actions or those of their children. I play something like GTA and have huge amounts of fun stealing cars and sniping people. I get off the computer and have no desire to do that in real life. If i did there would be something fundamentally wrong with my views and perceptions of the world.
censorship is aimed at controlling the sense data recieved by a portion of the population from whom this is not true. some people (be they either too young or mentally ill) can not do this, as they dont have the emotional and intellectual maturity neccesary.
censorship is neccesary, but as always it comes with the need for eternal vigilance.
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That's a pretty broad definition - but I haven't studied media so don't really know the formalities.DBoy wrote:defintions change for media, especailly in theoretical discourse.
media
:A surrounding environment in which something functions and thrives.
:The substance or medium in which a specific organism lives and thrives.
:A culture medium.
:forms of communication
Reason I asked is Same'o used the comment 'how THE media influences people' as opposed to how one form of 'media' may contribute to actions outside of that environment.
I don't envy you same'o ... that's a massive topic and one you could explore forever!
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i agree with u to an extent, however i think that the society that we live in, is quite well, over censored.. it is getting better.. however how can people censor the film ken park, i personally didnt think that it was porn and i thought that it was a good movie that did look into a darker world that teenagers apparently do live in... ny ways nuff of what i think what does everyone else think.. need some more opinions..mrj wrote:thats not the point. a great majority of the population (at least the adult population) is able to seperate reality from fiction and make educated and rational decisions and form their own beliefs and morals via self analysis.aspekt wrote:the thing that really gets me worked up are these conservative religious nuts who have so much issue with nudity. Do these people shower in the dark with their eyes closed or something?
I think things like over censorship is typical of a society where nobody is willing to take responsibility for their actions or those of their children. I play something like GTA and have huge amounts of fun stealing cars and sniping people. I get off the computer and have no desire to do that in real life. If i did there would be something fundamentally wrong with my views and perceptions of the world.
censorship is aimed at controlling the sense data recieved by a portion of the population from whom this is not true. some people (be they either too young or mentally ill) can not do this, as they dont have the emotional and intellectual maturity neccesary.
censorship is neccesary, but as always it comes with the need for eternal vigilance.
it is a massive topic, however because most of us have pre concieved topics before we get to them it is often quite easy to right an argumentative essay.. however what i am trying to do is get all points that one could have and then try and write so that the reader can decide from there what they belive.shepherd wrote:That's a pretty broad definition - but I haven't studied media so don't really know the formalities.DBoy wrote:defintions change for media, especailly in theoretical discourse.
media
:A surrounding environment in which something functions and thrives.
:The substance or medium in which a specific organism lives and thrives.
:A culture medium.
:forms of communication
Reason I asked is Same'o used the comment 'how THE media influences people' as opposed to how one form of 'media' may contribute to actions outside of that environment.
I don't envy you same'o ... that's a massive topic and one you could explore forever!
very broad, you have to think about it in context to "mediums' rather than the more obvious perception of "media" like TV, radio and print.shepherd wrote:That's a pretty broad definition - but I haven't studied media so don't really know the formalities.DBoy wrote:defintions change for media, especailly in theoretical discourse.
media
:A surrounding environment in which something functions and thrives.
:The substance or medium in which a specific organism lives and thrives.
:A culture medium.
:forms of communication
Reason I asked is Same'o used the comment 'how THE media influences people' as opposed to how one form of 'media' may contribute to actions outside of that environment.
I don't envy you same'o ... that's a massive topic and one you could explore forever!
It seems PeteyB that you are most interested in the side of the topic that is shaped be censorship of any medium that is made available to the public? and why it is censored and how the content may effect the consumer or viewer of said product?
Really just diverges into a discussion of deviance and what is generally accepted by society, and what lies in the grey areas. Where does content in a fiction situation border on offending the sensabilities of the public based on what behaviour is accpeted in reality.
Then you have the difference between what is accepted by classing it as art compared to entertainment, or simulation. ehh. uni flashbacks.
i got flash backs from nam, or maybe it was acid and i thought i was in nam.. mehDBoy wrote:very broad, you have to think about it in context to "mediums' rather than the more obvious perception of "media" like TV, radio and print.shepherd wrote:That's a pretty broad definition - but I haven't studied media so don't really know the formalities.DBoy wrote:defintions change for media, especailly in theoretical discourse.
media
:A surrounding environment in which something functions and thrives.
:The substance or medium in which a specific organism lives and thrives.
:A culture medium.
:forms of communication
Reason I asked is Same'o used the comment 'how THE media influences people' as opposed to how one form of 'media' may contribute to actions outside of that environment.
I don't envy you same'o ... that's a massive topic and one you could explore forever!
It seems PeteyB that you are most interested in the side of the topic that is shaped be censorship of any medium that is made available to the public? and why it is censored and how the content may effect the consumer or viewer of said product?
Really just diverges into a discussion of deviance and what is generally accepted by society, and what lies in the grey areas. Where does content in a fiction situation border on offending the sensabilities of the public based on what behaviour is accpeted in reality.
Then you have the difference between what is accepted by classing it as art compared to entertainment, or simulation. ehh. uni flashbacks.
lol.. y thank u..sAme'0 wrote:
however what i am trying to do is get all points that one could have and then try and write so that the reader can decide from there what they belive.
how very post modern of you.
haha i remeber the bo bo doll's.. those studies were proved to be insufficient
there were heaps of studies, hardly any of them are of any relevance.
like that one were they made one group of kids watch non violent material and the other group of kids watch the violent stuff
the kids who watched the non-violent stuff became violent because they werent allowed to watch the violent stuff.
there were heaps of studies, hardly any of them are of any relevance.
like that one were they made one group of kids watch non violent material and the other group of kids watch the violent stuff
the kids who watched the non-violent stuff became violent because they werent allowed to watch the violent stuff.
alot of studdies done arnt or cant be accurate because they are totaly different enviroments to what they are normally in. the only way to real study human behaviour is to basicly do a truman show where the subject does not realise that they are being watched, however even then it is not quite right because, all the people were actors, the only way u could do it would be to watch the human race from space and watch human behaviour with out them knowing..
Pete, perhaps you could talk about the propaganda of Nazi Germany... they brainswashed almost a whole society through the media and other means.
Also, we studied early Australian school texts at uni - these books were on the Government syllabus and they called aborigines 'savages' and said that they 'ate their young' and all sorts of bullshit. It's no wonder certain people are now racists after having their brains polluted and corrupted at such an early age...
Also, we studied early Australian school texts at uni - these books were on the Government syllabus and they called aborigines 'savages' and said that they 'ate their young' and all sorts of bullshit. It's no wonder certain people are now racists after having their brains polluted and corrupted at such an early age...
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i have seen it and it is one of mi all time favourite movies..tiggus85 wrote:if you get a chance Samo the picture search video store on swan st in richmond has a dodgy copy of Ken Park (its pretty full on, but beautifully shot) you just kinda have to ask for it like your buying drugs
yeah i am aiming for high marks... studying like a bitch been going since 8:30 this mornin.. plan to go till 5:00..crinklez wrote:you seem like you know whats going on with this shit, are you aiming for extremly high acedemic results?
i studied a bit and got decent marks im sure you can swing it, unless yeh u aiming high for some uni course or something?
yeah we have looked at nazi propagander however i think that it is harder look at things from the past because people now are more aware of it.. i can talk about how people in the past reacted however i am trying to focus on present day media, because it is easyer to talk about from a my perspective because there are less opinions formed in a way, there is less writen and therefore easyer to try form my own opinion on present day stuff... if that makes ny sense..Direktor wrote:Pete, perhaps you could talk about the propaganda of Nazi Germany... they brainswashed almost a whole society through the media and other means.
Also, we studied early Australian school texts at uni - these books were on the Government syllabus and they called aborigines 'savages' and said that they 'ate their young' and all sorts of bullshit. It's no wonder certain people are now racists after having the brains polluted at such an early age...
I would have thought coz there's more written and known about something then it would be easier to form your own objective perspective...
I studied a lot of really contemporary media analysis in Uni about 3 years ago. There is an absolute glut of books and essays about the media and its effects in the past 10 years, esp internet and modern games.
If you get a chance spend a couple of hours in the RMIT library, people can't write books fast enough about this subject!
(sorry dude all my notes/books etc are in OZ so I cant give you any exact names)
If you get a chance spend a couple of hours in the RMIT library, people can't write books fast enough about this subject!
(sorry dude all my notes/books etc are in OZ so I cant give you any exact names)
sall good, my essays will be no longer than 1000 words, due to exams and what not... i will have to check out the library..Hatsudai wrote:I studied a lot of really contemporary media analysis in Uni about 3 years ago. There is an absolute glut of books and essays about the media and its effects in the past 10 years, esp internet and modern games.
If you get a chance spend a couple of hours in the RMIT library, people can't write books fast enough about this subject!
(sorry dude all my notes/books etc are in OZ so I cant give you any exact names)
didnt really realise there was that much written bout it.. hopefully i can find enough stuff..
Use your good old friend the internet aswell. Mr Google will lead you to some good essays, and if not Authors/book names.
i just found this in the last 30 secs
http://culturalpolicy.uchicago.edu/conf ... walsh.html
might be of interest... (esp bibliography
)
Now thats all of your homework I'm doing
i just found this in the last 30 secs
http://culturalpolicy.uchicago.edu/conf ... walsh.html
might be of interest... (esp bibliography
)Now thats all of your homework I'm doing
thanx dudeHatsudai wrote:Use your good old friend the internet aswell. Mr Google will lead you to some good essays, and if not Authors/book names.
i just found this in the last 30 secs
http://culturalpolicy.uchicago.edu/conf ... walsh.html
might be of interest... (esp bibliography
Now thats all of your homework I'm doing
you have to do it like you're buying drugs? you mean you have to do it in a very open manner in broad daylight on Russell st in front of several victorian police officers who can clearly see it but choose to look the other way and focus their attention on booking mrj for j-walking?tiggus85 wrote:if you get a chance Samo the picture search video store on swan st in richmond has a dodgy copy of Ken Park (its pretty full on, but beautifully shot) you just kinda have to ask for it like your buying drugs
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The most influential thing about the media (focusing on news) is the way in which it chooses the issues of the day- it can't tell you what to think, but it does tell you what to think about.
The massive media coverage of the Tampa affair made refugees the 2001 election issue. Many people went to the polls thinking about 'border protection' instead of thinking about welfare, health, education etc. In this sense the media can be very influential because they are essentially influencing the outcome of elections (especially when there's complusory voting) because beat-ups like the refugee thing is going to influence the way people vote.
Don't underestimate the power of the media
The massive media coverage of the Tampa affair made refugees the 2001 election issue. Many people went to the polls thinking about 'border protection' instead of thinking about welfare, health, education etc. In this sense the media can be very influential because they are essentially influencing the outcome of elections (especially when there's complusory voting) because beat-ups like the refugee thing is going to influence the way people vote.
Don't underestimate the power of the media
best use of movie quote this year (paraphrasing not withstanding)Direktor wrote:"The greatest trick the Devil ever played was convincing the world he didn't exist" - I paraphrase. Spot on with what you said though - it's an often hidden/disguised power.Sustain wrote: Don't underestimate the power of the media
Direktor - It would be an honour if you would let me bear your children (as soon as medical science has made this a physical possiblity).
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i can make it happen.. dont underestemate the power of the peteybearmrj wrote:best use of movie quote this year (paraphrasing not withstanding)Direktor wrote:"The greatest trick the Devil ever played was convincing the world he didn't exist" - I paraphrase. Spot on with what you said though - it's an often hidden/disguised power.Sustain wrote: Don't underestimate the power of the media
Direktor - It would be an honour if you would let me bear your children (as soon as medical science has made this a physical possiblity).
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