Why do people keep calling dubstep "dub"

same o · Post by **same o** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:24 am

?????????

they completely different. prime example of this is in joker interview

"dub & breaks scene"

wtf??

Post by **JAMESSSS** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:40 am

Because it's the first half of the name.

mrj · Post by **mrj** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:48 am

[patiently waits for your not you're to arrive]

same o · Post by **same o** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:50 am

JAMESSSS wrote:Because it's the first half of the name.

then can i call drum and bass drum?

or hip hop hip?

Post by **JAMESSSS** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:54 am

same o · Post by **same o** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:02 pm

well then that settles it.

youthful_implants · Post by **youthful_implants** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:11 pm

I dont get it, why is it called dubstep when its really just half time, slowed down drum and bass.

The dub bit just isn't relevant.

Kaiproject · Post by **Kaiproject** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:16 pm

so, proposing a new name yi? snailstep?

but yeah... its funny i have friends who just hear the odd rusko track on the radio or whatever and refer to anything with a similar bassline (even breaks/basslinehouse) as "dubsteppy" or "dubby"
but they're pretty clueless haha

youthful_implants · Post by **youthful_implants** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:19 pm

Kaiproject wrote:so, proposing a new name yi? snailstep?

but yeah... its funny i have friends who just hear the odd rusko track on the radio or whatever and refer to anything with a similar bassline (even breaks) as "dubsteppy" or "dubby"
but they're pretty clueless haha

I just think smallstep, or babysteps would be more appropriate dont you?

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:32 pm

whats all this shit about 'brostep' and dudes moshing to dubstep then?

wierd.

and also - fuck off! im a lady and i wanna dubstep.

FRAKSHA... · Post by **FRAKSHA...** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:35 pm

ghetto kitty wrote:whats all this shit about 'brostep' and dudes moshing to dubstep then?

wierd.

and also - fuck off! im a lady and i wanna dubstep.

worst thing they ever did was let the yanks know about it : )

youthful_implants · Post by **youthful_implants** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:38 pm

FRAKSHA... wrote:
ghetto kitty wrote:whats all this shit about 'brostep' and dudes moshing to dubstep then?

wierd.

and also - fuck off! im a lady and i wanna dubstep.
worst thing they ever did was let the yanks know about it : )

I think that applies to everything, its not exclusive to dubstep.

DBoy · Post by **DBoy** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:45 pm

like people who play breaks that is all 4/4?

I think when dubstep emerged there were some parallels to dub - must have been?

cammo · Post by **cammo** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:50 pm

same o wrote:?????????

they completely different. prime example of this is in joker interview

"dub & breaks scene"

wtf??

journalistic fail. fucking shit up since day one

youthful_implants · Post by **youthful_implants** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:55 pm

DBoy wrote:like people who play breaks that is all 4/4?

I think when dubstep emerged there were some parallels to dub - must have been?

I think there still are, I know there are.

They just get overlooked by all the whob whob whob brostep heavy metal ravers.

There's threads all about it on dubstep forum everyday.

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:58 pm

youthful_implants wrote:
FRAKSHA... wrote:
ghetto kitty wrote:whats all this shit about 'brostep' and dudes moshing to dubstep then?

wierd.

and also - fuck off! im a lady and i wanna dubstep.
worst thing they ever did was let the yanks know about it : )
I think that applies to everything, its not exclusive to dubstep.

at blanket bagging of everything yank, yet the constant aussie urge to recreate it.

youthful_implants · Post by **youthful_implants** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:59 pm

ghetto kitty wrote:
at blanket bagging of everything yank, yet the constant aussie urge to recreate it.

No no I like the yanks, I just couldn't eat a whole one.

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:03 pm

Add some mexican chilli and then try

youthful_implants · Post by **youthful_implants** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:20 pm

ghetto kitty wrote:Add some mexican chilli and then try

hawt.

same o · Post by **same o** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:48 pm

youthful_implants wrote:I dont get it, why is it called dubstep when its really just half time, slowed down drum and bass.

The dub bit just isn't relevant.

the name dubstep does make sense if you listen to early dubstep, you can hear that it draws influences from both dub and two step.

Raider · Post by **Raider** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:48 pm

youthful_implants wrote:I dont get it, why is it called dubstep when its really just half time, slowed down drum and bass.

The dub bit just isn't relevant.

no no no NO!

Any link between drum n bass and dubstep needs to be smashed against a fence, had all it's limbs broken in the most painful way possible and then be shot to death. Drum n bass and dubstep have no relation whasoever.

Dubstep should not be allowed at drum n bass gigs... period. dubstep is for dubstep gigs, drum n bass is for drum n bass gigs. Hearing dubstep when I go out to listen to dnb just about ruins the whole night. People need to realise they are two seperate genres that clash so badly it hurts my head. They do not go together in any way, shape or form.

/rant

same o · Post by **same o** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:56 pm

lpeake wrote:
youthful_implants wrote:I dont get it, why is it called dubstep when its really just half time, slowed down drum and bass.

The dub bit just isn't relevant.
no no no NO!

Any link between drum n bass and dubstep needs to be smashed against a fence, had all it's limbs broken in the most painful way possible and then be shot to death. Drum n bass and dubstep have no relation whasoever.

Dubstep should not be allowed at drum n bass gigs... period. dubstep is for dubstep gigs, drum n bass is for drum n bass gigs. Hearing dubstep when I go out to listen to dnb just about ruins the whole night. People need to realise they are two seperate genres that clash so badly it hurts my head. They do not go together in any way, shape or form.

/rant

Raider · Post by **Raider** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:01 pm

by the way, I'm not saying I hate dubstep, I just don't think they go together

youthful_implants · Post by **youthful_implants** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:03 pm

same o wrote:
youthful_implants wrote:I dont get it, why is it called dubstep when its really just half time, slowed down drum and bass.

The dub bit just isn't relevant.
the name dubstep does make sense if you listen to early dubstep, you can hear that it draws influences from both dub and two step.

There seems to be a resurgence of two step happening as well which is very welcome imo - I love the intimate and experimental vibes coming from there which the stadium sized dubstep/rock tunes are lacking.

FliP · Post by **FliP** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:45 pm

a lot of deep dubstep is just dub.
It's just put into the dubstep category because its cool and kids will buy it, and there's no dub category on online mp3 shops

Post by **fooishbar** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 6:27 pm

youthful_implants wrote:I dont get it, why is it called dubstep when its really just half time, slowed down drum and bass.

The dub bit just isn't relevant.

errr ... so breaks isn't anything to do with broken beats, but just shit electro-house, right? why don't we just call it that?

Post by **fooishbar** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 6:33 pm

it comes about in multiple forms ... listen to early (2004-2005) dubstep and it's basically dubbed-out twostep. dark, reductionist, and the reverb turned up to 13 on the snare. it's more to do with dub as a process/aesthetic than as a sound, cf. dub techno.

if you want to keep stretching it, listen to 2007 dubstep, where every fucking tune was basically digidub with a jah sample. a lot of dnb producers have run up on it these days, some making sick tunes (seven, kryptic minds, benny page, etc), a lot making utter shit. and yes, some of it does really just sound like slowed-down dnb (even the youngsta & kryptic minds tune is way too rigid for me, sounds like dnb at 140), but i think you'll find most of that is not even close to what gets played out or represented at decent dubstep parties -- come out and see some day -- and has even less to do with dubstep as a genre than shit electro-house ripoffs have to do with breaks.

go listen to youngsta & task in 2005 and tell me that a) dub as a process is not involved in any way, and b) it sounds like slowed-down dnb.

same o · Post by **same o** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 6:38 pm

FliP wrote:a lot of deep dubstep is just dub.
It's just put into the dubstep category because its cool and kids will buy it, and there's no dub category on online mp3 shops

????

Most Dubstep isn't dub, it's Dubstep..

Dub is a different genre all together

bobby bob bob · Post by **bobby bob bob** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 9:59 am

lpeake wrote:by the way, I'm not saying I hate dubstep, I just don't think they go together

I reckon unfortunately they do.. dubstep being virtually half tempo to d+B.. Used as a brief beak or drop in the middle of a d+b set it is good for a minute or two. Chase and Status do it well..

BUUUUUt I agree - for too long in a d+b set, and you start to hear the punters talking, or looking toward the bar, or at their watches, or start texting etc, and you know the dj has misread how long to break up the set with a bit of half tempo stuff..

Keep em seperate.

Amick · Post by **Amick** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:37 am

lpeake wrote: Drum n bass and dubstep have no relation whasoever.

One of the first Dubstep records I bought.

Came out July 2005.

Dubchild - Psychopath

Can you not hear any resemblance to jungle/dnb in this tune?

There are literally hundreds of tunes since with similar vibes, and this was released during the infancy of the genre. If you want more examples PM me and I can point you in the right direction.

I also want to point out that main rule to Dubstep is sub bass and/or bass heavy sounds. I think you would also agree that DnB no doubt sticks to this rule as well. To say they have no relation is very naïve.

If you don't like the side room playing Dubstep at a DnB gig simply stay away from there!!!

FunkyJ · Post by **FunkyJ** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:12 am

I don't see how a dubstep fan can rant about what dubstep is called when there's a sub-genre of dubstep called Funky, which is the antithesis of all things Funk.

You fix that bullshit up first!

Post by **fooishbar** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:13 am

bobby bob bob wrote:I reckon unfortunately they do.. dubstep being virtually half tempo to d+B..

uh, 140 vs. 174?

Post by **fooishbar** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:14 am

FunkyJ wrote:I don't see how a dubstep fan can rant about what dubstep is called when there's a sub-genre of dubstep called Funky, which is the antithesis of all things Funk.

You fix that bullshit up first!

errrrr ... funky is in no way a subgenre of dubstep. it's soca house with grime influences.

same o · Post by **same o** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:16 am

FunkyJ wrote:I don't see how a dubstep fan can rant about what dubstep is called when there's a sub-genre of dubstep called Funky, which is the antithesis of all things Funk.

You fix that bullshit up first!

it aint a sub genre.

SDF1 · Post by **SDF1** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:26 am

Should be called K-Rave IMO.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

FRAKSHA... · Post by **FRAKSHA...** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 12:06 pm

fooishbar wrote:
FunkyJ wrote:I don't see how a dubstep fan can rant about what dubstep is called when there's a sub-genre of dubstep called Funky, which is the antithesis of all things Funk.

You fix that bullshit up first!
errrrr ... funky is in no way a subgenre of dubstep. it's soca house with grime influences.

^^innit, repackaged garage for the people who wernt around ten years ago when garage was big

youthful_implants · Post by **youthful_implants** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 1:14 pm

fooishbar wrote:
youthful_implants wrote:I dont get it, why is it called dubstep when its really just half time, slowed down drum and bass.

The dub bit just isn't relevant.
errr ... so breaks isn't anything to do with broken beats, but just shit electro-house, right? why don't we just call it that?

hey yo I was trying to be funny/stoopid.

just call it shit and be done with it I reckon.

Cubist · Post by **Cubist** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 1:17 pm

I think they call it Dub cause they wanna

Post by **fooishbar** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 1:25 pm

youthful_implants wrote:
fooishbar wrote:
youthful_implants wrote:I dont get it, why is it called dubstep when its really just half time, slowed down drum and bass.

The dub bit just isn't relevant.
errr ... so breaks isn't anything to do with broken beats, but just shit electro-house, right? why don't we just call it that?
hey yo I was trying to be funny/stoopid.

just call it shit and be done with it I reckon.

haha yeah pete explained that yesterday, oops. you dry dry bastard.

youthful_implants · Post by **youthful_implants** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 1:51 pm

fooishbar wrote: haha yeah pete explained that yesterday, oops. you dry dry bastard.

I am teh laem troll.

Amick · Post by **Amick** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 1:57 pm

this thread is spiraling out of control.

Raider · Post by **Raider** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:31 pm

Amick wrote:
lpeake wrote: Drum n bass and dubstep have no relation whasoever.
If you don't like the side room playing Dubstep at a DnB gig simply stay away from there!!!

If it was just side rooms I never would of noticed but uuuh... it rarely is. It's usually in the whackest order possible like... dubstep, HYPER JUMP UP dnb, mellow dubstep, dnb, jungle.

Should be dubstep till the people show up then drum n bass for the rest of the night or no dubstep at all. lol. Have a gig for your dubstep. Have a gig for your dnb. Don't mix them it's so horrible. Dubstep is for listening to at home imo. It doesn't really work for gigs. But yeah...

bobby bob bob · Post by **bobby bob bob** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:12 pm

fooishbar wrote:
bobby bob bob wrote:I reckon unfortunately they do.. dubstep being virtually half tempo to d+B..
uh, 140 vs. 174?

Oh alright...

Geez, talkin about anal retentive.. That's virtually half?

And it's 140.55bpm depending on in situ humidity

same o · Post by **same o** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:59 pm

170/2 = 85

140.55 / 2 = 70.275

i see an error in your mathematics

Amick · Post by **Amick** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 4:00 pm

lpeake wrote:
Amick wrote:
lpeake wrote: Drum n bass and dubstep have no relation whasoever.
If you don't like the side room playing Dubstep at a DnB gig simply stay away from there!!!
If it was just side rooms I never would of noticed but uuuh... it rarely is. It's usually in the whackest order possible like... dubstep, HYPER JUMP UP dnb, mellow dubstep, dnb, jungle.

Should be dubstep till the people show up then drum n bass for the rest of the night or no dubstep at all. lol. Have a gig for your dubstep. Have a gig for your dnb. Don't mix them it's so horrible. Dubstep is for listening to at home imo. It doesn't really work for gigs. But yeah...

I assume you're talking about Wobble.

Raider · Post by **Raider** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 5:16 pm

Wobble is a good example... probably the best example in Melbourne that's regular but it happens a lot. Shock One at the Croft was the first time I saw it happen but yeah it's becoming a regular oocurence at gigs, in studio mixes and moreso in the uk was my experience. Maybe I'm just terriotorial?! Haha. Not wanting to start anything really I dunno why I'm even saying this to be honest. Just it's been really getting on my nerves more and more as it's happened more frequently.

Also, Eden and wobble crew if you read this, don't hit me I have much love.

bobby bob bob · Post by **bobby bob bob** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 7:31 pm

same o wrote:170/2 = 85

140.55 / 2 = 70.275

i see an error in your mathematics

I was applying chi testing theorem.

Don't get me started on your spelling..

spin · Post by **spin** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 7:44 pm

RELAX.

Post by **fooishbar** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:11 pm

lpeake wrote:
Amick wrote:
lpeake wrote: Drum n bass and dubstep have no relation whasoever.
If you don't like the side room playing Dubstep at a DnB gig simply stay away from there!!!
If it was just side rooms I never would of noticed but uuuh... it rarely is. It's usually in the whackest order possible like... dubstep, HYPER JUMP UP dnb, mellow dubstep, dnb, jungle.

Should be dubstep till the people show up then drum n bass for the rest of the night or no dubstep at all. lol. Have a gig for your dubstep. Have a gig for your dnb. Don't mix them it's so horrible. Dubstep is for listening to at home imo. It doesn't really work for gigs. But yeah...

yeah, asc would definitely smash rusko in a rave. depends on the kind of dnb and the kind of dubstep (tbh i don't understand how you can get from a rusko tune to shocking out so hard you put your face through a wall ... kids these days, but horses for courses i guess), so it's a fairly pointless statement.

Post by **fooishbar** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:12 pm

spin wrote:RELAX.

WHEN I SAY ROWDY I MEAN START SHANKIN.