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what do you reckon?
i dont like the fact that it will do all the cost calculations for me...or something.
what do you reckon?
i dont like the fact that it will do all the cost calculations for me...or something.
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I like the idea, well done Melbourne.
The fare calculation makes sense too, I ran a couple mathematical comparisons, it will save cash over paying in coins or even the 10-fare card thingies.
The next phase of this will be in 2-3 years when you use your mobile phone as Myki instead of yet another device.
Problems might be:
- What if you don't properly scan off, or you have to rush off, can't push through people on your way out, etc.
- What if the machine breaks down? Is your cost/usage ongoing?
- What happens when those inspectors with the hefty fines ask to see your ticket?
The fare calculation makes sense too, I ran a couple mathematical comparisons, it will save cash over paying in coins or even the 10-fare card thingies.
The next phase of this will be in 2-3 years when you use your mobile phone as Myki instead of yet another device.
Problems might be:
- What if you don't properly scan off, or you have to rush off, can't push through people on your way out, etc.
- What if the machine breaks down? Is your cost/usage ongoing?
- What happens when those inspectors with the hefty fines ask to see your ticket?
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some answers:
How will inspectors check if myki is valid?
Inspectors will carry small, light hand-held devices similar to personal organisers which they will use to check myki.
What happens if I don't scan off?
If you do not scan off then myki is unable to calculate the best fare and a default fare is charged. This fare is yet to be determined.
How will inspectors check if myki is valid?
Inspectors will carry small, light hand-held devices similar to personal organisers which they will use to check myki.
What happens if I don't scan off?
If you do not scan off then myki is unable to calculate the best fare and a default fare is charged. This fare is yet to be determined.
Japan has had this kind of card for a while now (I guess at least 6-7 years)
Its freaking fantastic, just charge it up and away you go.
Also they have as system whereby your credit card does basically the same thing, and you can choose a company where your frequent flyer credits go.
ie: everytime I go through the ticket gates I am racking up points on my Jal frequent flyer account via my credit card. I could change from JAL to my favourite Electronics store or department store and accumulate credits at these store if I wanted.
Its freaking fantastic, just charge it up and away you go.
Also they have as system whereby your credit card does basically the same thing, and you can choose a company where your frequent flyer credits go.
ie: everytime I go through the ticket gates I am racking up points on my Jal frequent flyer account via my credit card. I could change from JAL to my favourite Electronics store or department store and accumulate credits at these store if I wanted.
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the tube's had oysters for couple of years, and helsinki has had basically the same (and multi-modal) since the dawn of time. mad, mad useful. so much easier than carrying cash. also we can get tickets via sms.
the tube's had oysters for couple of years, and helsinki has had basically the same (and multi-modal) since the dawn of time. mad, mad useful. so much easier than carrying cash. also we can get tickets via sms.
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I was thinking about that on my train ride this morning. The difference between say London's stations and Melbourne's, is that all of London's tube stations are manned by a real life person, and they have gates you can't get through unless you have a valid card.universal sea wrote:some answers:
How will inspectors check if myki is valid?
Inspectors will carry small, light hand-held devices similar to personal organisers which they will use to check myki.
What happens if I don't scan off?
If you do not scan off then myki is unable to calculate the best fare and a default fare is charged. This fare is yet to be determined.
Melbourne stations in the inner and outer suburbs have no guards/inspectors and no gates! If they were manned when the trains were operating, people would eventually have to always carry a valid ticket.
Got off at Prahran and there were 5 inspectors blocking the flow of exit traffic inspecting each individual ticket of 100 or so passengers, nightmare.
When will they get it right?
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Agree.breaksRbest wrote:Public Transport = Aids
Leaving at the same time, in peak hour traffic, I managed to get from Mt Waverley to crn Flinders and Russell Street in less time than it took Adrian to travel by tram from 400 St Kilda Road to the same location.
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i dont believe you. trams up st kilda road cain it. i go from 409 st kilda to collins street in under 10mins quite regularly.
also takes me less than 10mins to get to work from north carlton. if they werent so packed trams would be awesomer.
buses are a forgotten treasure too. they rule in non peak hour.
also takes me less than 10mins to get to work from north carlton. if they werent so packed trams would be awesomer.
buses are a forgotten treasure too. they rule in non peak hour.
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if they can get it to be as effective as the oyster system in london, then bring it. awesomely convenient. for some reason i don't trust melbourne's moronic transport authority to get it right though. one can only hope.
i think the single ride fare is the way to go. you can catch a bus in london for two stops or 20 and it'll cost you the same. the money hungry bastards here make it so much harder for themselves and everyone else by trying to extract the maximum fare from each trip. keep is simple you bastards...the profit will still be there.
i think the single ride fare is the way to go. you can catch a bus in london for two stops or 20 and it'll cost you the same. the money hungry bastards here make it so much harder for themselves and everyone else by trying to extract the maximum fare from each trip. keep is simple you bastards...the profit will still be there.
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you can walk it in under halfa too lol. shoulda just got off.
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Less money on systems for charging people for transportation
More money on actual transportation
I like the concept and execution, but in all seriousness Melbourne is pretty small and doesn't need the whiz bang charging infrastructrue that big cities do. Those systems are viable due to economies of scale. We do not have the scale neccesary.
If all the money spent on privitisation, development of metcard system, enforcement of metcard system, new spencer street station, and development of this myki thing had instead been spent on making trains, busses, and trams more safe, frequent, clean and reliable then we could have a public transport system that would be the envy of many cities and we could do it for free.
Its time to stop throwing good money after bad. This myki thing is simply a personification of a ongoing and very depressing melbourne problem.
More money on actual transportation
I like the concept and execution, but in all seriousness Melbourne is pretty small and doesn't need the whiz bang charging infrastructrue that big cities do. Those systems are viable due to economies of scale. We do not have the scale neccesary.
If all the money spent on privitisation, development of metcard system, enforcement of metcard system, new spencer street station, and development of this myki thing had instead been spent on making trains, busses, and trams more safe, frequent, clean and reliable then we could have a public transport system that would be the envy of many cities and we could do it for free.
Its time to stop throwing good money after bad. This myki thing is simply a personification of a ongoing and very depressing melbourne problem.
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succinctly put, mrj.
it's been over 20 years now since the first alternative ticketing systems started being developed. while a ticketless system is the obvious way forward, less gratutious spending on marketing and "state-of-the-art, interactive learning facilities" would mean more vehicles and people to drive them.
it's been over 20 years now since the first alternative ticketing systems started being developed. while a ticketless system is the obvious way forward, less gratutious spending on marketing and "state-of-the-art, interactive learning facilities" would mean more vehicles and people to drive them.
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Ah, also consider that city planning isn't a one step at a time process. This system would have been considered with an eye to policies that are being debated that will affect the next several decades of Melbourne life.
One prediction based on international trends: Congestion charges. London's had one for years. New York City recently considered one, but the rules were weak and it was rejected - to be reviewed. Beijing and I believe Shanghai are now offering a set amount of private vehicle licenses - 50,000 or something - meaning if you don't have a licence, you can't drive in the city. Toronto is considering similar methods, I'm sure most major cities are.
What this will mean for Melbourne is probably something like any of these. A set number of cars that are allowed to drive within the inner core, and/or a toll to enter the city. People will not be happy paying extra money or if they don't even have the choice to drive, so public transport becomes more crucial. It's simpler putting in a system and ironing all its quirks out before the big bang of public transportation hits. I've been saying for years that at some point in the future, there will be very few private vehicles in cities - it will all be public transport and cabs (including driver-less cabs).
The trams here are generally excellent and they should build upon that, more St Kilda Road style trams where they zip down as opposed to slowing all traffic like on Chapel Street.
I've also seen reports that by 2020 or something like that, Melbourne will be a bigger city that Sydney. I've seen architectural blueprints particularly around Docklands that make it look like Manhattan, and there is so much available land to develop, unlike Sydney, that development is going to be steady. Population rates keeping growing... public transport will expand.
I've lived in a lot of places and from my unbiased perspective I like the innovation Melbourne is continually playing around with. It's hardly perfect, but they're trying, and I have confidence they'll get there.
One prediction based on international trends: Congestion charges. London's had one for years. New York City recently considered one, but the rules were weak and it was rejected - to be reviewed. Beijing and I believe Shanghai are now offering a set amount of private vehicle licenses - 50,000 or something - meaning if you don't have a licence, you can't drive in the city. Toronto is considering similar methods, I'm sure most major cities are.
What this will mean for Melbourne is probably something like any of these. A set number of cars that are allowed to drive within the inner core, and/or a toll to enter the city. People will not be happy paying extra money or if they don't even have the choice to drive, so public transport becomes more crucial. It's simpler putting in a system and ironing all its quirks out before the big bang of public transportation hits. I've been saying for years that at some point in the future, there will be very few private vehicles in cities - it will all be public transport and cabs (including driver-less cabs).
The trams here are generally excellent and they should build upon that, more St Kilda Road style trams where they zip down as opposed to slowing all traffic like on Chapel Street.
I've also seen reports that by 2020 or something like that, Melbourne will be a bigger city that Sydney. I've seen architectural blueprints particularly around Docklands that make it look like Manhattan, and there is so much available land to develop, unlike Sydney, that development is going to be steady. Population rates keeping growing... public transport will expand.
I've lived in a lot of places and from my unbiased perspective I like the innovation Melbourne is continually playing around with. It's hardly perfect, but they're trying, and I have confidence they'll get there.
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Probably too expensive to build underground now. Toronto has a tube, and to extend one line a mere couple of stops, it's costing in the billions! So they're saying stuff it.lynt wrote:We also need a tube. That would change Melbourne public transport forever!
Imagine getting the tube to and from Fitzroy for example, take you 30 seconds!
I'd like to see giant helicopters transporting hundreds of people from one part of the city to the other side.
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Also on hot summer days, their air con kicks ass.huge wrote:
buses are a forgotten treasure too. they rule in non peak hour.
Used to be a serial fare evader when i was a student, never got caught, had the best way to never get caught, but saw the light and have been buying monthly tix ever since. at $100 odd per month i hope this system will be cheaper.
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at least we get free shit when the sucky system sucks more than it's meant to suck.
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they could also do with extending the train lines, not just shutting down tracks. i used to live in wheelers hill, and you could get the train alright to glen waverley, but after 7pm, it's a 45min walk, a taxi, or a lift. i didn't mind the walk, but jesus that was weak. plus no bus between 12pm and 1:30pm, so same problem there. rowville gets it worse, it's not really walkable from anywhere.
so it's not really hard to see why no-one there bothers with pt, when either you could drive to all of glen waverley, syndal, and mount waverley and have them all packed and have to park in a supermarket carpark ages away, before you can get your crowded train, or just drive to work.
sort it out fucken.
so it's not really hard to see why no-one there bothers with pt, when either you could drive to all of glen waverley, syndal, and mount waverley and have them all packed and have to park in a supermarket carpark ages away, before you can get your crowded train, or just drive to work.
sort it out fucken.
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witty_pseudonym wrote:at least we get free shit when the sucky system sucks more than it's meant to suck.
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ffs, sif it will make a single bit of difference who runs the shambles. years of chronic underinvestment in the infrastructure and stock, and less track than 50 years ago. what do you expect? jesus. government trying to pass the buck for their monumental fuck-ups (even bracks has been doing the 'transport? let's build an eleventy hojillion-dollar road!' thing until about last year) to a scapegoat. great.The Age wrote:He said the results meant the government should be "carefully looking at whether Connex should continue running the train system".
A decision on renewing the contract must be made by November.
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inspector on tram yest told me that people with weekly/ monthly tix who don't validate every trip make it difficult to collect accurate data in terms of numbers on trams and to justify more
it's a bit hard ot validate though when it's rammed and you can't get near a thingo
it's a bit hard ot validate though when it's rammed and you can't get near a thingo
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The main reason they bang on and on about validation is that the single pool of money from ticket sales needs to be distributed among the various groups that run the trains/trams/buses. That system already had Inbuilt Failâ„¢ when passengers only needed a valid ticket, rather than to validate. They can't have a whinge about people doing nothing wrong and their retarded system being built wrong. (Btw, they have actually been employing people to count passengers anyway )gnat wrote:inspector on tram yest told me that people with weekly/ monthly tix who don't validate every trip make it difficult to collect accurate data in terms of numbers on trams and to justify more
Metcard was already epic fail - I remember doing my year 12 English CAT on it (almost ten years ago now ) and it was a total fucking disgrace then. The original system was specifically chosen because it was supposedly smartcard-enabled, so that has clearly already fucked up. To that, add the validation debarcle, no notes on trams, etc.
Myki, however, is exploring new heights of epic faildom
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anyone noticed the ads for sponsoring sports people for the olympics? not to be un-australian or anything, but why is this money being spent on them and not on improving PT in general. i don't get it
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Last night on the tele news the Minister of Transpot couldn't get Myki to accept a $20 note, then right at the end of the clip the whole machine fell open. epic FAIL
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