All the talk in the job thread of contracts ending got me wondering ... what sort of arrangments are most people here on?
There is much talk of in our revised industrial landscape there being more jobs with less stability and security, have you experinced a change in the past couple of years? Is your industry typically casual based?
Job security?
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I don't trust employers anymore. I never feel safe. I keep getting told that my position is secure and then 3 weeks later I'm redundant. If I broke rules or didn't make budget I'd fucking understand it a bit more but it seems that companies will be very underhanded if they think they can save a dollar or two.
Only the meek get pinched...the bold survive
The growth in contract and part time employment in Australia has more to do with changes in work force demographics than it does with employers preferring those arrangements.
Put simply, people are preferring these sorts of arrangements and the request for these types of roles is coming more from the employee, rather than the employer.
Some examples...
The growth in take up of maternity leave and the increased provisions under legislation (compared to historically) has resulted in a growth in contract roles, because hey, a lot of women are going on maternity leave and they need someone to fill the role for twelve months.
The boost in the participation rate has come from non-traditional sectors (more women with young children, older workers etc) and workers in these groups tend to favour non-perm/full time work. For example a single mum with 2 young kids may find it hard to cover a full time role, but 15 hours might not be so much of a stretch, however historically they would have been chastised for working and putting the kids in day care. This has changed though. Also older workers may not have a need financially to keep working, but at the same time might like to keep busy, and "stay in the game" as it were, so might work one day a week or something. With deomgraphics the way they are in this country this is an effect that will only increase.
Also certain industries that have grown rapidly in the past 20 years (such as IT), or that are currently in boom (such as mining) that tend to be more project based or cyclical will favour contract type arrangements (as will the people who work in these sectors).
Its things like this that are driving the increased flexiblity of work arrangements in Australia. Its not an employer led consiracy to reduce job security.
The Australian labour market is under huge capacity constraints with unemployment at historic lows. The war for talent is over kids, talent won! Never has your job been as secure as it is now.
Put simply, people are preferring these sorts of arrangements and the request for these types of roles is coming more from the employee, rather than the employer.
Some examples...
The growth in take up of maternity leave and the increased provisions under legislation (compared to historically) has resulted in a growth in contract roles, because hey, a lot of women are going on maternity leave and they need someone to fill the role for twelve months.
The boost in the participation rate has come from non-traditional sectors (more women with young children, older workers etc) and workers in these groups tend to favour non-perm/full time work. For example a single mum with 2 young kids may find it hard to cover a full time role, but 15 hours might not be so much of a stretch, however historically they would have been chastised for working and putting the kids in day care. This has changed though. Also older workers may not have a need financially to keep working, but at the same time might like to keep busy, and "stay in the game" as it were, so might work one day a week or something. With deomgraphics the way they are in this country this is an effect that will only increase.
Also certain industries that have grown rapidly in the past 20 years (such as IT), or that are currently in boom (such as mining) that tend to be more project based or cyclical will favour contract type arrangements (as will the people who work in these sectors).
Its things like this that are driving the increased flexiblity of work arrangements in Australia. Its not an employer led consiracy to reduce job security.
The Australian labour market is under huge capacity constraints with unemployment at historic lows. The war for talent is over kids, talent won! Never has your job been as secure as it is now.
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He's climbing in your windows, he's snatching your people up.
Is it so ludicrous to think that it might happen? Unless you've got pictures of your boss doing weird things with his stapler, I don't see how anyone could be secure. You can feel it all you want, but being secure in a job (to me) seems a near impossibility.
Shit, how jaded do I sound?
Shit, how jaded do I sound?
Only the meek get pinched...the bold survive
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DOE?
department of...?
department of...?
croaking lizard... jungletasticdubcorebadness (brap brap)
surface resonance... sound and vibration arts (buzz hum)
surface resonance... sound and vibration arts (buzz hum)
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of course
a state body i never come across. know my DSEs and DPCDs and DPIs and EPAs but not my DOEs
a state body i never come across. know my DSEs and DPCDs and DPIs and EPAs but not my DOEs
croaking lizard... jungletasticdubcorebadness (brap brap)
surface resonance... sound and vibration arts (buzz hum)
surface resonance... sound and vibration arts (buzz hum)
Ah acronyms i am very familiar with too!FoundationStepper wrote:of course
know my DSEs and DPCDs and DPIs and EPAs
My job was secure, until my boss went all weird on me. But I've hung around a month and a half longer than i was meant to, and it's going to be easily a couple more weeks before I can leave (too much work). But for some reason my boss seems to be giving me a lot more respect now (ever since I kinda told him off!).
Job hunting now though, need security. My old job was secure, practically impossible to get fired, but the catch was.. the job.
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nah dont go up there at all
what sort of environmental concern? are the toilets being used to dredge port phillip bay? are they forming a toxic waste dump?
what sort of environmental concern? are the toilets being used to dredge port phillip bay? are they forming a toxic waste dump?
croaking lizard... jungletasticdubcorebadness (brap brap)
surface resonance... sound and vibration arts (buzz hum)
surface resonance... sound and vibration arts (buzz hum)
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I had to lol at this.
JULIA Gillard and Kevin Rudd promised before last year's election to pulp and recycle the tens of thousands of remaining Work Choices booklets printed by the Howard government, but they made no mention of the fate of the 100,000 or so Work Choices computer mousemats the former Coalition government also commissioned. Earlier this week, when Strewth asked Gillard's office what the fate of the now not-needed mousemats would be, Gillard's media minder, Kimberley Gardiner, promised to find out. Yesterday the Deputy PM told parliament that she had discovered 97,898 Work Choices mousemats that were costing taxpayers $930 a month in storage fees. As they can't be recycled, the Government is still working on their ultimate fate. A number have found homes: Gillard sent one as a memento to every Coalition MP and senator. The last of the 450,000 remaining Work Choices booklets were sent to be recycled yesterday.
JULIA Gillard and Kevin Rudd promised before last year's election to pulp and recycle the tens of thousands of remaining Work Choices booklets printed by the Howard government, but they made no mention of the fate of the 100,000 or so Work Choices computer mousemats the former Coalition government also commissioned. Earlier this week, when Strewth asked Gillard's office what the fate of the now not-needed mousemats would be, Gillard's media minder, Kimberley Gardiner, promised to find out. Yesterday the Deputy PM told parliament that she had discovered 97,898 Work Choices mousemats that were costing taxpayers $930 a month in storage fees. As they can't be recycled, the Government is still working on their ultimate fate. A number have found homes: Gillard sent one as a memento to every Coalition MP and senator. The last of the 450,000 remaining Work Choices booklets were sent to be recycled yesterday.
croaking lizard... jungletasticdubcorebadness (brap brap)
surface resonance... sound and vibration arts (buzz hum)
surface resonance... sound and vibration arts (buzz hum)
it's pretty easy: if you're doing something which is absolutely crucial to them, if there's no way they could replace you (particularly for the money) without training them for a year or more, and they're also happy with your performance ...mixtress wrote:Is it so ludicrous to think that it might happen? Unless you've got pictures of your boss doing weird things with his stapler, I don't see how anyone could be secure. You can feel it all you want, but being secure in a job (to me) seems a near impossibility.
Shit, how jaded do I sound?
