Why?
Why do labels still put tracks on vinyl at 33 1/3 RPM when the track could easily fit at 45. I've got so many breaks and house tracks which are around 7-8 minutes, one track per side and cut at 33.
It confuses me.
33?
45 is not a better or higher quality at all. this is a fallacy. nor can you fit substantially more on at one speed over the other. The truth of the matter is that certain RANGES are better repoduced at certain speeds. It often comes down to one of two things, sometimes the client will ask for a certain speed, sometimes we will listen to the track and our engineers will say "this should be pressed at ..."
Largely it does not matter either way, if you have a good mastering engineer (ie www.jackthebear.com.au) the music can be pressed at either speed and still sound as good. Given that turntables offer you the option and the ability to further adjust what is the complaint about??
Largely it does not matter either way, if you have a good mastering engineer (ie www.jackthebear.com.au) the music can be pressed at either speed and still sound as good. Given that turntables offer you the option and the ability to further adjust what is the complaint about??
^^ yeah, but that is only gunna make a difference if there actually is more data. Don't forget that this is electronic music. The resolution potential is finite.
One question, digital releases would have to be 16bit 44.1khz BUT are vinyl releases sent to the plant in 24bit 48khz? Surely that would make the distinction between vinyl and CD pretty clear.
One question, digital releases would have to be 16bit 44.1khz BUT are vinyl releases sent to the plant in 24bit 48khz? Surely that would make the distinction between vinyl and CD pretty clear.
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SoulWhiteMan
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I don't think that the fact that it's electronic music would make any difference. You're still transferring a digital source to anologue, or perhaps analogue to analogue for the ol' schoolers.deviant wrote:^^ yeah, but that is only gunna make a difference if there actually is more data. Don't forget that this is electronic music. The resolution potential is finite.
One question, digital releases would have to be 16bit 44.1khz BUT are vinyl releases sent to the plant in 24bit 48khz? Surely that would make the distinction between vinyl and CD pretty clear.
Or, maybe I'm completely wrong.
it has to be digital first which has a "finite" resolution. You simply cannot get more info on there than the 16bit 44.1khz that was used to create it.
SWM: ?????
Scholtzy: Maybe 45s are louder due to the needle being struck harder by the bumps in the groove? I dunno?
I personally prefer 45s, I'm used to the feel and touch of mixing them morso than I am with 33s.
SWM: ?????
Scholtzy: Maybe 45s are louder due to the needle being struck harder by the bumps in the groove? I dunno?
I personally prefer 45s, I'm used to the feel and touch of mixing them morso than I am with 33s.
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Shadowgames
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get off the digital argument. it has no place in this thread.
It all depends on the length (time) of the track being pressed.
a 33.33rpm record can be pressed up to +4dBV, provided it is under about 14mins
a 45 rpm record can be pressed up to +4dBV, provided it is under 10 mins.
the longer the pressing, the quieter it will be.
a 'hotter' pressing will raise the RMS of the musical content further from the noise floor.
so if less noise + loud pressing = good, then 45rpm is 'better'
its all a trade off really.
It all depends on the length (time) of the track being pressed.
a 33.33rpm record can be pressed up to +4dBV, provided it is under about 14mins
a 45 rpm record can be pressed up to +4dBV, provided it is under 10 mins.
the longer the pressing, the quieter it will be.
a 'hotter' pressing will raise the RMS of the musical content further from the noise floor.
so if less noise + loud pressing = good, then 45rpm is 'better'
its all a trade off really.
props to shadowgames. it is not about the speed of the record but the loudness that determines the length. (dont ask for the physics of it, i just know that this is how it works). your numbers are not exact though, these things will depend on the weight of the record, the depth of the groove, the engineer and how much real estate he is willing to sacrifice (real estate is the ridge separating the grooves) and a whole bunch of other things. But in the end you will sacrifice loudness for length or vice versa, although this is not really an issue as most records are only one or two tracks a side, so you can afford to sacrifice length for loudness...
remember that volume and quality are not the same thing even if many people get them confused.
there is a lot of mis-information out there about vinyl, however if you want your records pressed at a particular speed, just say so. According to my engineers the difference is in which is best for which genre.
remember that volume and quality are not the same thing even if many people get them confused.
there is a lot of mis-information out there about vinyl, however if you want your records pressed at a particular speed, just say so. According to my engineers the difference is in which is best for which genre.
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word. that's one of my favorite quotes of all time mate. love it. biggup dave.valuetime wrote:this is hi-fi. ok? high. fidelity. know what that means? that means this is the highest quality fidelity. hi-fi. those are two very important things to have in a stereo system.
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