Ban on smoking vs Suitability as Licensed Premises
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sorry, this is no smoking thread, you will have to go to another thread.
I just can not get my head around how places with no outside area and no pass outs will operate.
Fair enough that they are warning against venue opening with out taking into account the situation from next year. Otherwise by August 2007 they will be inundated with noise complaints, especially if they are near residential areas.
Would be silly to open a licenced premises and not take it into account anyways.
I just can not get my head around how places with no outside area and no pass outs will operate.
Fair enough that they are warning against venue opening with out taking into account the situation from next year. Otherwise by August 2007 they will be inundated with noise complaints, especially if they are near residential areas.
Would be silly to open a licenced premises and not take it into account anyways.
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It would be silly but people dont think about noise when they start a venue. it happens all the time.
Well are there circunstances where it seems reasonable to issue pass outs?
What do people think about what might be manageable tools to minimise on street noise?
Input would be good, im trying to formulate policies around this!
Well are there circunstances where it seems reasonable to issue pass outs?
What do people think about what might be manageable tools to minimise on street noise?
Input would be good, im trying to formulate policies around this!
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places like revolver don't do pass outs and can not ever really.
places like hi-fi dont until a certian time, and imaginse having 20-40 people out the front of that place at any one time, constantly coming and going, all night. On Swanston St.
Not reasonable to expect them to create out door area, the venue is under ground.
places like hi-fi dont until a certian time, and imaginse having 20-40 people out the front of that place at any one time, constantly coming and going, all night. On Swanston St.
Not reasonable to expect them to create out door area, the venue is under ground.
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workshop is. certainly...
taking your example, result with revolver or hifi is basically no smoking at all then... unless there was a limited pass out system to say 10 people at once... (dont know how do do that though)
the question being - is that a problem?
interesting evidence from overseas is that introduction of smoking bans has not had any long term negative impacts on the licensed premises industry...
taking your example, result with revolver or hifi is basically no smoking at all then... unless there was a limited pass out system to say 10 people at once... (dont know how do do that though)
the question being - is that a problem?
interesting evidence from overseas is that introduction of smoking bans has not had any long term negative impacts on the licensed premises industry...
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its a fact that the vast majority of australians dont smoke.
putting 2 and 2 together, id suggest that banning smoking completely at clubs will be good for business as it will attract those who previously were too disgusted by the smoke. The number of people it alienates would be dwarfed by the number of people it attracts.
putting 2 and 2 together, id suggest that banning smoking completely at clubs will be good for business as it will attract those who previously were too disgusted by the smoke. The number of people it alienates would be dwarfed by the number of people it attracts.
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How many people do you know use other people smoking as a reason to not go out?sneaky hands wrote:its a fact that the vast majority of australians dont smoke.
putting 2 and 2 together, id suggest that banning smoking completely at clubs will be good for business as it will attract those who previously were too disgusted by the smoke. The number of people it alienates would be dwarfed by the number of people it attracts.
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its certainly a factor, although not a reason not to go by itself... it makes the whole idea less attractive
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its certainly a factor, although not a reason not to go by itself... it makes the whole idea less attractive
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Maybe not the sole reason, but definately a factor for myself, Marvie, my sis and Obliveus - just to name a few....mecka wrote:How many people do you know use other people smoking as a reason to not go out?sneaky hands wrote:its a fact that the vast majority of australians dont smoke.
putting 2 and 2 together, id suggest that banning smoking completely at clubs will be good for business as it will attract those who previously were too disgusted by the smoke. The number of people it alienates would be dwarfed by the number of people it attracts.
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My dad fuckin hates it....Wont go to many pubs unless he can sit outside.. He really does crack it when his clothes stink like smoke!!Direktor wrote:Maybe not the sole reason, but definately a factor for myself, Marvie, my sis and Obliveus - just to name a few....mecka wrote:How many people do you know use other people smoking as a reason to not go out?sneaky hands wrote:its a fact that the vast majority of australians dont smoke.
putting 2 and 2 together, id suggest that banning smoking completely at clubs will be good for business as it will attract those who previously were too disgusted by the smoke. The number of people it alienates would be dwarfed by the number of people it attracts.
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You can't smoke in pubs/clubs in tasmania anymore and as a
consequence there are areas packed to the brim full of smokers. I can remember going to the smoking room and not being able to see someone from across the room cause of the amount of smoke!
But at least the pub smelt fine. couldnt even smell any B.O which was suprising!
consequence there are areas packed to the brim full of smokers. I can remember going to the smoking room and not being able to see someone from across the room cause of the amount of smoke!
But at least the pub smelt fine. couldnt even smell any B.O which was suprising!
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smoky venues is a reason i don't go out - not the sole reason but it contributes. i used to smoke too - now can't stand it and the ventilation in some venues is pretty shabby.mecka wrote:How many people do you know use other people smoking as a reason to not go out?sneaky hands wrote:its a fact that the vast majority of australians dont smoke.
putting 2 and 2 together, id suggest that banning smoking completely at clubs will be good for business as it will attract those who previously were too disgusted by the smoke. The number of people it alienates would be dwarfed by the number of people it attracts.
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This was debated and argued and then more than readily accepted in Toronto over two years ago when we had our ban put in place. It's a good thing. The point of this is to help people quit smoking and clean up venues for people who like going out, but won't because of smoking. Drink sales have apparently not been affected.
It's good for the flow and energy of places with people coming and going, stretching their legs, moving around. Many venues aren't suitable for an outdoor smoking area, sure. Some will adapt, create creative patios, whatever.
It's quite incredible to go out and not have a smidget of smoke on clothes, breath, hair, etc, you can party for many hours and come out of the club full of natural energy, it's strange. Rochester, New York, was the first time I'd experienced this.
I quit smoking 6 1/2 years ago, until a couple of months ago when I bought a couple of packs and almost felt like a smoker again. The reasons: everybody rolls their ganj here with shitloads of tobacco, all the clubs are full of it, and they get passed to me a lot. Weakness, sure. Take out the club element and I'd probably be alright, thankfully I've quit again.
Yes to this law and remember, it doesn't matter if you smoke or not, you're still going to die.
It's good for the flow and energy of places with people coming and going, stretching their legs, moving around. Many venues aren't suitable for an outdoor smoking area, sure. Some will adapt, create creative patios, whatever.
It's quite incredible to go out and not have a smidget of smoke on clothes, breath, hair, etc, you can party for many hours and come out of the club full of natural energy, it's strange. Rochester, New York, was the first time I'd experienced this.
I quit smoking 6 1/2 years ago, until a couple of months ago when I bought a couple of packs and almost felt like a smoker again. The reasons: everybody rolls their ganj here with shitloads of tobacco, all the clubs are full of it, and they get passed to me a lot. Weakness, sure. Take out the club element and I'd probably be alright, thankfully I've quit again.
Yes to this law and remember, it doesn't matter if you smoke or not, you're still going to die.
i have felt the force of the smoking band in pubs club ect .. livin in glasgow
at first i reckon it was shite .. but after a couple of weeks i reckon it great and im all for it .even though i am still a smoker .
good points
u feel heaps better in the morning if u have been steamin in a club/pub the nite before Fact
no astrays there gross
bad points
a sweatie club :yuck:
with time .. you would love it
at first i reckon it was shite .. but after a couple of weeks i reckon it great and im all for it .even though i am still a smoker .
good points
u feel heaps better in the morning if u have been steamin in a club/pub the nite before Fact
no astrays there gross
bad points
a sweatie club :yuck:
with time .. you would love it
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so, when is the smoking ban coming into effect exactly here in melbourne? I will agree with a lot of what you guys have said above. I also notice my hang overs are no where near as bad the next day as well when i've been to smoke free clubs in new zealand
After reading about the evils of drinking the other night, I decided to give up reading instead...
I smoke....and I find I smoke the most while spinning records. So much so to the point where I can feel the cancer in my throat and lungs.
Im all for the ban. No smoke means less thinking of it.
I don't think there will be a long term effect on the clubs/bars. There are more non-smokers than smokers....right?
Im all for the ban. No smoke means less thinking of it.
I don't think there will be a long term effect on the clubs/bars. There are more non-smokers than smokers....right?
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I love that quote, always raised however friends from New York say a number of small bars closed down because the people who like small intimate venues like we have here, chose to party at home where they could still drink and smoke!FoundationStepper wrote:
interesting evidence from overseas is that introduction of smoking bans has not had any long term negative impacts on the licensed premises industry...
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i spent weeks resarching the topic and couldnt find anything substantial to demonstrate that. However, I can totally believe its the case... would love to see examples...
NY has a really strict noise code which doesnt make many concessions for patron noise
NY has a really strict noise code which doesnt make many concessions for patron noise
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I think the ban will work and should work. I only started smoking when I started djing, as I seemed to be in clubs and bars more often and even when I am not playing I'm listening to friends play etc I guess the passive smoke and the nervous energy drove me on.
Lately I've been feeling it in the chest and throat, especially after a big nite out.
I think a smoke free environment will be as some have said more healthy, and possibly less conducive to lighting up if you are a smoker.
Hopefully this will not affect those places like bunker and dirty secrets that will have real issues providing smoking areas.
Lately I've been feeling it in the chest and throat, especially after a big nite out.
I think a smoke free environment will be as some have said more healthy, and possibly less conducive to lighting up if you are a smoker.
Hopefully this will not affect those places like bunker and dirty secrets that will have real issues providing smoking areas.
Thats would cost 4-5 times as much money to enforce than a complete ban and would drive alot of small places like bunker to close!breaksRbest wrote:All of this bullshit can be solved with some adequate ventilation and exhaust fans
I would prefer this solution and to let people smoke (as a non-smoker) but its just unrealistic
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1! *oh pick me! pick me!!!*mecka wrote:How many people do you know use other people smoking as a reason to not go out?sneaky hands wrote:its a fact that the vast majority of australians dont smoke.
putting 2 and 2 together, id suggest that banning smoking completely at clubs will be good for business as it will attract those who previously were too disgusted by the smoke. The number of people it alienates would be dwarfed by the number of people it attracts.
YAY! no more burning eyes, head spins, disgusting smells and damaging air! (yeah i know, general polution does that toooo )
cant wait, i will definately be going out more
The rubber plant was surprised. If the rubber plant could have spoken, it wouldn't have said anything. That's how surprised the rubber plant was.
Enforcing the ban doesn't really cost anything to the club/pub.
I do feel better when I've been working in a non-smoking venue but find myself wanting to duck out for a booner(smoke), bit of a pain in the ass seeing as the average mobile gig is about 4-5 hours.
Would there be big names (DJ's/groups) that wouldn't play if they couldn't smoke in the venue?
It is a good thing, we all know we should quit.
I do feel better when I've been working in a non-smoking venue but find myself wanting to duck out for a booner(smoke), bit of a pain in the ass seeing as the average mobile gig is about 4-5 hours.
Would there be big names (DJ's/groups) that wouldn't play if they couldn't smoke in the venue?
It is a good thing, we all know we should quit.
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DJ ego is pretty mammoth generally, but I don't think it's that bad that they wouldn't play unless they were given an exemption to the laws of that city. If DJ X (country of Origin) couldn't go 3 hours without a lunger then they should consider their addiction to fagsWould there be big names (DJ's/groups) that wouldn't play if they couldn't smoke in the venue?
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If youve flown over here to play you should be able to do without a ciggie for a good 8 hours at least!
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I'm ok coz now i've hit 30 I shouldn't be going out and when i do i can stand down the back and moan about the old days when we could get off our heads and smoke in the club!!
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Hahaha... it's happening in London as well from July 1st. Several clubs (such as Fabric) are lucky enough to have a courtyard they can open up to the public, but some places like The End are a bit screwed - all underground, nowhere for patrons to go but the main entrance, and no room to build a courtyard. No idea what's going to happen there! I heard rumours they were going to relocate.
I remember smoking my last ciggie in Atomica in the good old days so I knew this day was gonna come along sometime and it's a good thing. The thing I'm really going to miss is the dancefloor doobie. I said goodbye at Break & Fierce.......gonna miss you guys
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Word Liz. Was watching some movie the other night where people were sitting around a dingey pub smoking and drinking beer and I had a whole host of nostalgic feelings of seedy days gone by. Must book time for myself to have one more good crawl through my favourite dives, sit back and watch the smoke waft through the sunlight.
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