Melbourne Electronic Compilation

Smile on Impact · Post by **Smile on Impact** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:45 pm

Ok..
I'm planning on making a compilation of melbourne electronic music.
As a showcase for original melbourne acts
Basic plan now will be:
7-10 Artists, one or two songs each. a cost of about $150 each, which will cover, printing, mastering, national distrobution through MGM plus around 30 copies each, to sell or whatever.
It will have a catalogue number and be available at all major stores.
It'll be a run of 500-1000 and replicated off shore.
I wanna see how the response goes and see how much interest I can generate.
So.. anybody interested ?

LuKo · Post by **LuKo** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:46 pm

great idea!

I'm defenitly in mate! Personnally I know alot of people who will be up for it

unsoundbwoy · Post by **unsoundbwoy** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:54 pm

good luck with it
don't think I'd be too relevant

Snowie · Post by **Snowie** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:13 pm

definately up for it

Smile on Impact · Post by **Smile on Impact** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:34 pm

Great..
the more people involved, the cheaper we can make it..OR.. the more funds we can put towards Posters, ads and a launch party..

Snowie · Post by **Snowie** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:06 pm

Question...If this made money, as we hope it might, where/who does it go to ?

FoundationStepper · Post by **FoundationStepper** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:13 pm

to me dummy

Smile on Impact · Post by **Smile on Impact** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:40 pm

Snowie wrote:Question...If this made money, as we hope it might, where/who does it go to ?

Well.....
all artists. should have their tracks registered with apra, So all royalties get calculated by MGM and paid to them by Apra.
Artist will be allocated CDs (Paid for by the initial fee) they can sell these at a profit and keep the profit, They will then be able to buy more discs at cost, if need for on sale.
CD's going through stores will cover the expenses of promotion etc..
These venture rarely make a profit.
I've released independents before.
but we can have a meeting or whatever and sort this all out.
Just testing the interest at the moment.

gb · Post by gb » Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:40 pm

feelslikeafukinrevolution wrote:Great..
the more people involved, the cheaper we can make it..OR.. the more funds we can put towards Posters, ads and a launch party..

Excellent idea, I was talking about something similar with a mate the other night, however we were thinking it would be even cooler if we could get some sort of arts funding for it... have you looked into this possibility at all?

Smile on Impact · Post by **Smile on Impact** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:49 pm

I've applied for funding before.. it's slow and takes a long time to get a response..
better to cover the cost by making a kitty and apply for funding for promotion, which can happen later.
I can make the cost minimal, and still have a proper release, proper printing and distro..
A grant would help but not completly important.

gb · Post by gb » Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:56 pm

feelslikeafukinrevolution wrote:I've applied for funding before.. it's slow and takes a long time to get a response..
better to cover the cost by making a kitty and apply for funding for promotion, which can happen later.
I can make the cost minimal, and still have a proper release, proper printing and distro..
A grant would help but not completly important.

Yeah, I've heard this before as well. Either way, I'd be down for throwing something in for this.

Andrez · Post by **Andrez** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:07 pm

Sounds cool.

I'm not, strictly speaking, Melburnian right now (I'm living in Tokyo), but I'm from Melbourne and my heart is still there most o' the time...

Does this count?

If so, I'm in!

LuKo · Post by **LuKo** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 4:22 pm

yo is there mad music gear in tokyo?

wanna post me some gadgets for the right price

hehe

had to try...

Andrez · Post by **Andrez** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 4:54 pm

LuKo wrote:yo is there mad music gear in tokyo?

wanna post me some gadgets for the right price

hehe

had to try...

heh-heh... nice try!!

And, yep - there is - but these days you can find pretty much the same in Oz. All this internationalism makes the world a small place... too small!!!

Grey Son · Post by **Grey Son** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 4:55 pm

Andrez wrote:
LuKo wrote:yo is there mad music gear in tokyo?

wanna post me some gadgets for the right price

hehe

had to try...
heh-heh... nice try!!

And, yep - there is - but these days you can find pretty much the same in Oz. All this internationalism makes the world a small place... too small!!!

Yeah but we still cant buy beer from a vending machine...

Andrez · Post by **Andrez** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 5:44 pm

Grey Son wrote:Yeah but we still cant buy beer from a vending machine...

...yes... BUT... those days are in decline!!!

It's so bloody hard to find the Holy Grail beer-vending machines now...

Grey Son · Post by **Grey Son** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 6:18 pm

I could only imagine what it would be like here if we had em... ha ha

Andrez · Post by **Andrez** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 6:28 pm

...true.

Smile on Impact · Post by **Smile on Impact** » Sat Nov 11, 2006 10:08 am

Andrez wrote:Sounds cool.

I'm not, strictly speaking, Melburnian right now (I'm living in Tokyo), but I'm from Melbourne and my heart is still there most o' the time...

Does this count?

If so, I'm in!

That's cool I'm sure the other melbournites will be happy to have some Northern Pacific Representation.

But You'll have to post me a data disk..
None of this FTP sh:t.

I wanna minimise errors.

Love to have you onboard dude.
Especially if 'Cocain Speaking' is any indication.

Andrez · Post by **Andrez** » Sat Nov 11, 2006 12:53 pm

feelslikeafukinrevolution wrote:Love to have you onboard dude.
Especially if 'Cocain Speaking' is any indication.

...cool - cheers! Thanks!

Glad to be one of the proverbial crew, then!!

a1studmuffin · Post by **a1studmuffin** » Sat Nov 11, 2006 10:41 pm

feelslikeafukinrevolution wrote:But You'll have to post me a data disk..
None of this FTP sh:t.
I wanna minimise errors.

That's unnecessary, just RAR/ZIP your data files up before you send them, that way you've got automatic error checking when you go to extract the files - you simply won't be able to access the files if they're not 100% verbatim.

What kind of genres are you after, if any? I've been doing some pretty downtempo stuff lately that I'd like to promote... oh and I'm based in the UK at the moment which might put a crimp on things.

Andrez · Post by **Andrez** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 2:14 am

a1studmuffin wrote:I'm based in the UK at the moment which might put a crimp on things.

Tokyo...UK... Melbourne.

Nice mix, methinks.

Smile on Impact · Post by **Smile on Impact** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 1:32 pm

a1studmuffin wrote:
feelslikeafukinrevolution wrote:But You'll have to post me a data disk..
None of this FTP sh:t.
I wanna minimise errors.
That's unnecessary, just RAR/ZIP your data files up before you send them, that way you've got automatic error checking when you go to extract the files - you simply won't be able to access the files if they're not 100% verbatim.

What kind of genres are you after, if any? I've been doing some pretty downtempo stuff lately that I'd like to promote... oh and I'm based in the UK at the moment which might put a crimp on things.

Yeah.. I'm pretty anal about audio data..
I have heard .wavs that have been transfered. even as .zips.
it's ok.. but, I prefer a low speed burn(as data, not audio) on a good disc
But it's really spliting hairs.

If you are from melbourne or have some loose connection to melb, I'm sure we can let it slide

Down tempo, not an issue.
I do want a couple of real danceable, or real radio tracks.
That's better for everyone...

but it looks like it'll be a good solid mix.

Andrez · Post by **Andrez** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 3:37 pm

...cool.

Let us know when/where/how, and I'll get a CD-R off to you at that stage. Looking forward to it!

Direkt · Post by **Direkt** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:24 am

So after each artist receives their 30-odd CD's, how many are actually distributed through MGM?

And who does MGM distribute to?

Smile on Impact · Post by **Smile on Impact** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:52 pm

Direktor wrote:So after each artist receives their 30-odd CD's, how many are actually distributed through MGM?

And who does MGM distribute to?

Ok... Well these are all valid questions..
It's good to have an understanding of what's going to happen should you wanna be involved..
What we will do, is go for a run of 500, and if there are 10 producers at 30 CDs each we could do with 50 for promotion and 150 for in store stock. (Total 500, we can always print more should it be successful)
Considering small releases rarely make it to floor stock without touring est. 150 will be heaps..
MGM goes to all major retailers, but it will be special order (meaning customers will have to ask for the Disc) I can try to get it pushed into shops, but it's an uphill battle for small releases.
I will licence the tracks for a maximum pressing of 5000 and for Australian release only..
That way, if the compilation gets picked-up there may be further negotiation.
So this plan gives the same amount of opportunities to the artist to make a profit as the publisher (me), also a direct incentive to move units.
If one of you were to sell all 30 CDs at $15 each, that's a $10 mark up and $300 cash for yourself. Alternatively if you sold them at $20 and gave 10 away, you'd still make $250 net profit off your original $150 bucks.
So just to clear it up, I will behave like the label, I will be the one facing the most risk, and I (potentially) stand to make more profit should we sell out of the first pressing.
Where as, the only way you guys can make a loss is if you fail to sell at least 10 of your CDs and don't have any of your tracks registered with apra.

If anyone has any issue with the system, that's cool. Make your own compilation.

Anyone else, who'd like to be a part, let me know.
If all goes well we could have it motion by the end of the year..

So I hope that make sense, and is transparent.

Direkt · Post by **Direkt** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 5:18 pm

Sounds like a good idea mate, thanks for answering the questions - but if there's no guarantee that they're going to be stocked in stores or that labels will be definately hearing them, I'd rather spend the $150 on getting my own CD's pressed up with 100% my material.

Not intentionally raining on your parade by any means bud, I'm sure it's a great idea for certain producers out there! Best of luck with it!

Smile on Impact · Post by **Smile on Impact** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:47 pm

Direktor wrote:Sounds like a good idea mate, thanks for answering the questions - but if there's no guarantee that they're going to be stocked in stores or that labels will be definately hearing them, I'd rather spend the $150 on getting my own CD's pressed up with 100% my material.

Well, not much chance of finding those guarantees anywhere.
I understand bro, I'm still gonna be releasing my 100% stuff too.
But the compilation might help get my music to people whom otherwise wouldn't hear it. Ie. fans of other Producers.
And it will do the same for every body concerned.
Also, a better chance of selling a compilation and somthing for the discography.
I know, I can easy spend 150 on a night out, and have nothing to show for it.

I'm sure others are the same..

a1studmuffin · Post by **a1studmuffin** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:12 am

feelslikeafukinrevolution wrote:Yeah.. I'm pretty anal about audio data..
I have heard .wavs that have been transfered. even as .zips.
it's ok.. but, I prefer a low speed burn(as data, not audio) on a good disc

Are you implying there's a difference in the final result?

Andrez · Post by **Andrez** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:49 am

feelslikeafukinrevolution wrote:I know, I can easy spend 150 on a night out, and have nothing to show for it.

I'm sure others are the same..

Amen to that - especially here in Tokyo!!

All legitimate concerns & responses - cheers all round.

I'm in!

Smile on Impact · Post by **Smile on Impact** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:30 am

a1studmuffin wrote:
feelslikeafukinrevolution wrote:Yeah.. I'm pretty anal about audio data..
I have heard .wavs that have been transfered. even as .zips.
it's ok.. but, I prefer a low speed burn(as data, not audio) on a good disc
Are you implying there's a difference in the final result?

Yep, and guess what, differant CD's sound differant. Also if you burn a CD as wav data, it sounds differant to if you burn it as audio.
also, an Mp3 will travel better than a .wav

a1studmuffin · Post by **a1studmuffin** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:36 am

Touche

fonk · Post by **fonk** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:20 pm

I could maybe be interested in this..... provided I get my arse into gear and get around to finishing a few tunes I'm working on!

I'll try to get some stuff up in the next week or so.

Cool idea anyway.

flippo · Post by **flippo** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:57 pm

feelslikeafukinrevolution wrote:
a1studmuffin wrote:
feelslikeafukinrevolution wrote:Yeah.. I'm pretty anal about audio data..
I have heard .wavs that have been transfered. even as .zips.
it's ok.. but, I prefer a low speed burn(as data, not audio) on a good disc
Are you implying there's a difference in the final result?
Yep, and guess what, differant CD's sound differant. Also if you burn a CD as wav data, it sounds differant to if you burn it as audio.
also, an Mp3 will travel better than a .wav

Is that because when you play a CD on some computers it bypasses the audio card?

Direkt · Post by **Direkt** » Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:23 am

flippo wrote:
feelslikeafukinrevolution wrote:
a1studmuffin wrote: Are you implying there's a difference in the final result?
Yep, and guess what, differant CD's sound differant. Also if you burn a CD as wav data, it sounds differant to if you burn it as audio.
also, an Mp3 will travel better than a .wav
Is that because when you play a CD on some computers it bypasses the audio card?

How would you hear it if it bypassed the audio card?

Smile on Impact · Post by **Smile on Impact** » Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:56 am

flippo wrote: Is that because when you play a CD on some computers it bypasses the audio card?

nah, because it's compareing data, from a CD, to audio from a CD on the same output setup.
I've done this test at home with my converters, and at a studio that uses Protools HD, (I think my cons are better, but they had much better monitors)
and once again the differance is in the treble.

flippo · Post by **flippo** » Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:16 pm

Direktor wrote:
flippo wrote:
feelslikeafukinrevolution wrote: Yep, and guess what, differant CD's sound differant. Also if you burn a CD as wav data, it sounds differant to if you burn it as audio.
also, an Mp3 will travel better than a .wav
Is that because when you play a CD on some computers it bypasses the audio card's digital/analogue converter?
How would you hear it if it bypassed the audio card?

shoulda made that clearer.

flippo · Post by **flippo** » Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:20 pm

like you know how on some cd drives they have their own socket to plug an 1/8" jack into? and play, pause, change track buttons? It basicaly acts like a stand alone cd player. You could rip out the sound card, or maybe just wee on the circuts, and still listen to cd's.

Direkt · Post by **Direkt** » Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:27 pm

Oh, got ya

a1studmuffin · Post by **a1studmuffin** » Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:18 pm

Yep, and guess what, differant CD's sound differant. Also if you burn a CD as wav data, it sounds differant to if you burn it as audio.
also, an Mp3 will travel better than a .wav

... but please tell me we *were* kidding about these remarks, right?

Smile on Impact · Post by **Smile on Impact** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:55 am

a1studmuffin wrote:
Yep, and guess what, differant CD's sound differant. Also if you burn a CD as wav data, it sounds differant to if you burn it as audio.
also, an Mp3 will travel better than a .wav
... but please tell me we *were* kidding about these remarks, right?

nah..
even if a cd dosn't 'fail' it will still have a certain level of errors.
These errors affect the sound of a CD, differant brands have a differant error rate.
Wav's seem to stream better than cd audio, so for some reason, wav data seems turn burn with less audiable errors than a cd audio track.
I've done this test a couple of times.
as for MP3s, they use a smaller amount of information, ie just the lower freqs to build up the higher, more complicated freqs. because it is a formula for how music 'should' sound (rather than a CD which is just a bitmap) the affact of an error on an Mp3 is less, because the sound is built up around the data, rather than just a reflection of the acctual data.

Digital is a black art....
there are so many myths about it, it's often hard to know what's going on.
So just listen...
at least we didn't start talking about 'jitter' that is a whole other can of worms.

a1studmuffin · Post by **a1studmuffin** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 2:09 am

Erm... have you done any research to back those claims up? About the only thing that would make an audio file sound different on CD is when the error is so great that it cannot read the audio data and instead tries to interpolate it, and I'd be surprised if this was a frequent occurence. Bob Katz' Mastering Audio gives a pretty good rundown on the digital domain of audio.

I'm still not sure what you mean about the mp3 "travelling" better than a wav. But lets not get the thread too far off topic...

Smile on Impact · Post by **Smile on Impact** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:44 am

a1studmuffin wrote: About the only thing that would make an audio file sound different on CD is when the error is so great that it cannot read the audio data and instead tries to interpolate it, and I'd be surprised if this was a frequent occurence. B.

be suprised..
All burns have errors, it's just a matter of how many.
this does affect the sound, because of how many guesses the error checking has to make.
but yeah,
really far off topic.

anyway I suppose the point is, i'd prefer a data disc.
but a High Res wav. zipped is fine..