Net Neutrality

[almax]

http://ipower.ning.com/

watch the video (about 12 minutes) and discuss

Seems as though the majour ISPs are going to bind together, take down the internet as we know it and re-release it like TV where you can watch/visit certain sites/channel for the usual fee, but anything else costs extra, which will kill traffic to small websites and make them redundant. This would be a massive blow to freedom of speech and freedom of information IMO

[enigneyratorelknaw]

freedom of speech

The war continues , with cleavage

[same o]

the internet is a series of tubes

[a1studmuffin]

Seems as though the majour ISPs are going to bind together, take down the internet as we know it and re-release it

I think this is a lot of paranoia about nothing - I'd like to see them try what you've described above. The internet and its users are far too decentralized for them to get anywhere close to this vision.

[almax]

hmm yeah sorry, bad choice of words, from what i understand, what they intend to do is get in kahoots (how do you spell that?) with the majour entertainment players like MTV, fox, etc etc and have exclusivity to those sites with particular ISPs so that if Joe Blow wants to access the MTV site, he will have to sign with Telstra. If he signs with another ISP, he cannot access. Now if he does sign with Telstra, he can still access other websites, but at an extra cost. So sheeple will just pay the cheaper price and get all their entertainment and news etc from those site, but the independant sites will lose traffic flow and hence lose advertising $$$ which may force them to stop maintaining the site.
Do you think thats feasible?

[apophenian]

hmm yeah sorry, bad choice of words, from what i understand, what they intend to do is get in kahoots (how do you spell that?) with the majour entertainment players like MTV, fox, etc etc and have exclusivity to those sites with particular ISPs so that if Joe Blow wants to access the MTV site, he will have to sign with Telstra. If he signs with another ISP, he cannot access. Now if he does sign with Telstra, he can still access other websites, but at an extra cost. So sheeple will just pay the cheaper price and get all their entertainment and news etc from those site, but the independant sites will lose traffic flow and hence lose advertising $$$ which may force them to stop maintaining the site.
Do you think thats feasible?

I haven't watched the vid yet (Im at work), so please bear with me if i have repeated anything already posted.

It's pretty much how web on your mobile works already (and probably a good part of the reason that not that many people use it).

Google and some other companies are actively compaigning for net neutrality - more info here: http://www.google.com/help/netneutrality.html

[mrj]

I think the marketplace would circumvent any such moves.

[Spicy]

hmm yeah sorry, bad choice of words, from what i understand, what they intend to do is get in kahoots (how do you spell that?) with the majour entertainment players like MTV, fox, etc etc and have exclusivity to those sites with particular ISPs so that if Joe Blow wants to access the MTV site, he will have to sign with Telstra. If he signs with another ISP, he cannot access. Now if he does sign with Telstra, he can still access other websites, but at an extra cost. So sheeple will just pay the cheaper price and get all their entertainment and news etc from those site, but the independant sites will lose traffic flow and hence lose advertising $$$ which may force them to stop maintaining the site.
Do you think thats feasible?

hmm, maybe piracy will sky rocket? also i think smart people like us will use proxies.

either way, i think it's a fucking stupid idea. the internet is the only thing left of true freedom.

[spiral]

Now if he does sign with Telstra, he can still access other websites, but at an extra cost. ?

dont telstra do this now with big pond tv for afl , movies etc

[system]

this has been a big issue in the usa for some time, but not is australia as yet.

some effects of it have been felt here, particularly in the wap world (as apophenian mentioned). on the mobile internet usage front, the major internet content providers (like yahoo! and google) have been complaining to the carriers for some time about the data charges that exist in australia for wap usage.

hopefully this "web 2.0" take on aol never takes hold.

[deviant]

AOL... weren't they the worst for this type of thing some years ago? I remember every web app ever had seperate instructions for AOL users. You couldn't access the 'net at all without their specific software either...

gheyness.

[Spicy]

^^ yeah you're right, i remember there used to be heaps of shit laid on AOL for being... shit! i think there still might be.

also kevin rudd's australia-wide internet porn and violence filter didn't quite go off, thank fuck!

[deviant]

yeah, I still download rake-loads of pron lol

[a1studmuffin]

In your face rudd!

almax - yeah what you say sounds more feasible, although that's not the net neutrality debate is it? Or did I just not read about it properly?

It seems like a pretty bad move for the content provider (eg MTV) as they're just going to be reducing their audience... I guess if that was offset with a big fat cheque they might see it differently. I think more people are pretty net savvy these days, and any attempt to do something like this, to what is perceived as a "public" thing not associated with a certain ISP (eg MTV, footy etc), would be met with much aggression from the general public.