bugger me no one plays breaks anymore

Direkt · Post by **Direkt** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:39 pm

By 4/4 I don't think people are talking about time signatures, even though that's what 4/4 implies. But more the programming of beats.

I.e. 4/4 (house) beat: kick-snare-kick-snare

Kaiproject · Post by **Kaiproject** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:47 pm

Yep I know whacha mean Direkt I often talk about it that way too, just in the convo I was having he meant time signature-wise.

Direkt · Post by **Direkt** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:49 pm

Fo shiz my mang

DBoy · Post by **DBoy** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:50 pm

House Breaks TBH.

Actually quite like a few of these tracks, but this is what I mean when i refer to 4/4 beats in breaks, with out caring what that might mean technically.

"House-breaks" are the point where House’s hypnotic 4/4 groove and Breakbeats’ funkasised beats collide.

1 Elektronauts – Bumper (Plump DJs Vocal Mix)

2 Layo & Bushwacka! – Deep South (Ils mix)

3 Krafty Kuts – Don’t Stop

4 Rennie Pilgrem – Some Place Funky (Wigwam Remix)

5 Meat Beat Manifesto – Radio Babylon

6 Lee Coombs – The Future Sound Of Retro

7 X-Press 2 – Smoke Machine (Koma & Bones Remix)

8 Soul Of Man – Dirty Waltzer (Remix)

9 Freq Nasty – Freq ‘a’ zoid

10 Stanton Warriors – Da Virus (Latin 2-Step Mix)

11 Shut Up & Dance – Derek Went Mad (Remix)

1 Jedi Knights – Catch The Break

2 Renegade Soundwave – The Phantom

3 Laidback – Bass Is A Drug

4 Chickenlips – Master Jammin’ (2003 Re-edit)

5 West Street Mob – Electric Boogie (Junior Cartier Mix)

6 Lee Coombs & Meat Katie – Two Men On A Trip

7 Rennie Pilgrem & Dub Species – The Sermon

8 Elite Force & Meat Katie – Saveena (exclusive track)

9 Organic Audio – Nurega (Medicine8 Mix)

10 Phil Kieran – Vitalian House

11 Ils – No Soul (PMT Mix)

flippo · Post by **flippo** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:07 pm

house breaks lol wtf? How is it not just house?

more snare heavy I guess?

DBoy · Post by **DBoy** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:08 pm

How is house not just techno?

youthful_implants · Post by **youthful_implants** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:15 pm

As someone who does A&R for four different Breaks labels I'm probably more aware than most where the scene is headed musically.

Lots of newer pretty exciting artists developing in breaks at the moment IMO.

People like Vent, Mars, Magnet Men, Dilemn, Equalizers, ID, Reso, Pro7, Mesmer, Rico, Neztic, Karl Sav, Wavewhore, Loop de Ville, IITone, Sidel etc etc.

Its not surprising that a lot of them end up making house music or something else though with sales continuing to plummet as vinyl dies a painful death.

A lot of smaller labels have suffered trying to keep putting out vinyl at great personal cost, and I attribute this to the demise of the popularity of breaks more than any other factor.

Its just too expensive to produce for such a tiny market. Now there is the issue of promoting releases online which can also be very costly to do effectively.

The bottom line is, there was never much money in breaks in the first place, and it doesn't exactly pull people in through its inherent glamour or underground status so as a label owner or dj or producer you do have to ask yourself 'what exactly is it about breaks as a genre, apart from the music, that I do like - and is it really worth pursuing?'

flippo · Post by **flippo** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:16 pm

DBoy wrote:How is house not just techno?

yeah I know it gets like that. I'd say that house is slower and more musical, melodies and chords etc. Techno to me tends to be faster and more about textures.

nu genre-core

same o · Post by **same o** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:18 pm

youthful_implants wrote:As someone who does A&R for four different Breaks labels I'm probably more aware than most where the scene is headed musically.

Lots of newer pretty exciting artists developing in breaks at the moment IMO.

People like Vent, Mars, Magnet Men, Dilemn, Equalizers, ID, Reso, Pro7, Mesmer, Rico, Neztic, Karl Sav, Wavewhore, Loop de Ville, IITone, Sidel etc etc.

Its not surprising that a lot of them end up making house music or something else though with sales continuing to plummet as vinyl dies a painful death.

A lot of smaller labels have suffered trying to keep putting out vinyl at great personal cost, and I attribute this to the demise of the popularity of breaks more than any other factor.

Its just too expensive to produce for such a tiny market. Now there is the issue of promoting releases online which can also be very costly to do effectively.

The bottom line is, there was never much money in breaks in the first place, and it doesn't exactly pull people in through its inherent glamour or underground status so as a label owner or dj or producer you do have to ask yourself 'what exactly is it about breaks as a genre, apart from the music, that I do like - and is it really worth pursuing?'

in summary breaks is waste get out while u can

long live www.myspace.com/sameodubstep

i still like pmt, i wont lie...

youthful_implants · Post by **youthful_implants** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:24 pm

sAme'0 wrote:
youthful_implants wrote:As someone who does A&R for four different Breaks labels I'm probably more aware than most where the scene is headed musically.

Lots of newer pretty exciting artists developing in breaks at the moment IMO.

People like Vent, Mars, Magnet Men, Dilemn, Equalizers, ID, Reso, Pro7, Mesmer, Rico, Neztic, Karl Sav, Wavewhore, Loop de Ville, IITone, Sidel etc etc.

Its not surprising that a lot of them end up making house music or something else though with sales continuing to plummet as vinyl dies a painful death.

A lot of smaller labels have suffered trying to keep putting out vinyl at great personal cost, and I attribute this to the demise of the popularity of breaks more than any other factor.

Its just too expensive to produce for such a tiny market. Now there is the issue of promoting releases online which can also be very costly to do effectively.

The bottom line is, there was never much money in breaks in the first place, and it doesn't exactly pull people in through its inherent glamour or underground status so as a label owner or dj or producer you do have to ask yourself 'what exactly is it about breaks as a genre, apart from the music, that I do like - and is it really worth pursuing?'

in summary breaks is waste get out while u can

long live http://www.myspace.com/sameodubstep

i still like pmt, i wont lie...

haha yeah you totally missed my point.

the reason we still do it is because of the people involved, and the passion we still have for it.

you'll probably have given up your DJing in a couple of years when you realise its not going anywhere and dubstep's not cool anymore.

Direkt · Post by **Direkt** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:27 pm

flippo wrote:
DBoy wrote:How is house not just techno?
yeah I know it gets like that. I'd say that house is slower and more musical, melodies and chords etc. Techno to me tends to be faster and more about textures.

Bit more to it than that isn't it?

General sounds... lack of snares/claps etc on techno compared to house, generally speaking... techno more minimal and quirky...

Dunno. I'm not big on either genre... but the techno my mate listens to sounds a shitload different to the house I've heard out and about... although I supposed there's a miriad of house and techno sub-styles also.

same o · Post by **same o** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:31 pm

youthful_implants wrote:
sAme'0 wrote:
youthful_implants wrote:As someone who does A&R for four different Breaks labels I'm probably more aware than most where the scene is headed musically.

Lots of newer pretty exciting artists developing in breaks at the moment IMO.

People like Vent, Mars, Magnet Men, Dilemn, Equalizers, ID, Reso, Pro7, Mesmer, Rico, Neztic, Karl Sav, Wavewhore, Loop de Ville, IITone, Sidel etc etc.

Its not surprising that a lot of them end up making house music or something else though with sales continuing to plummet as vinyl dies a painful death.

A lot of smaller labels have suffered trying to keep putting out vinyl at great personal cost, and I attribute this to the demise of the popularity of breaks more than any other factor.

Its just too expensive to produce for such a tiny market. Now there is the issue of promoting releases online which can also be very costly to do effectively.

The bottom line is, there was never much money in breaks in the first place, and it doesn't exactly pull people in through its inherent glamour or underground status so as a label owner or dj or producer you do have to ask yourself 'what exactly is it about breaks as a genre, apart from the music, that I do like - and is it really worth pursuing?'

in summary breaks is waste get out while u can

long live http://www.myspace.com/sameodubstep

i still like pmt, i wont lie...
haha yeah you totally missed my point.

the reason we still do it is because of the people involved, and the passion we still have for it.

you'll probably have given up your DJing in a couple of years when you realise its not going anywhere and dubstep's not cool anymore.

lol was takin the piss mang.

i said the opposite of what u said innit.

hahah

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:36 pm

me not technical when i talk about music but
techno to me is driving beats, that often build slowly and take you on a real journey, but can also be terribly boring if not done right.

house to me is track by track, not as much about the journey, and has the lovely addition of what i like to call 'bikini vocals' > vocals sung by some chick in a white bikini.

the specific sounds and basslines can be used in both, but its how they are put together that defines them.

i prefer techno.
and i actually prefer 'breakbeat' to techno, and i grew up on techno.

youthful_implants · Post by **youthful_implants** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:47 pm

:edit:

same o · Post by **same o** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:55 pm

i saw what u said..

MR DISCO EDITS

i dont know what i am talking about

youthful_implants · Post by **youthful_implants** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:56 pm

I am not having the best day tbpfh

yenks · Post by **yenks** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:57 pm

stop taking the piss sameo

and go off to your dubstep thread thats only 2 pages

same o · Post by **same o** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:58 pm

youthful_implants wrote:

I am not having the best day tbpfh

yenks wrote:stop taking the piss sameo

and go off to your dubstep thread thats only 2 pages

DBoy · Post by **DBoy** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:00 pm

Direkt wrote:
flippo wrote:
DBoy wrote:How is house not just techno?
yeah I know it gets like that. I'd say that house is slower and more musical, melodies and chords etc. Techno to me tends to be faster and more about textures.
Bit more to it than that isn't it?

General sounds... lack of snares/claps etc on techno compared to house, generally speaking... techno more minimal and quirky...

Dunno. I'm not big on either genre... but the techno my mate listens to sounds a shitload different to the house I've heard out and about... although I supposed there's a miriad of house and techno sub-styles also.

rhetorical question it was, prefer it when people read in context and don't start talking of topic I do. Cheers.

same o · Post by **same o** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:01 pm

thats what u get for being rhetorical on the internets.

U GET SERIOUS RESPONSES BITCH

DBoy · Post by **DBoy** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:02 pm

Ills, over there, look its Ills. Dude, Ills. Illls. Ills.

same o · Post by **same o** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:04 pm

DBoy wrote:Ills, over there, look its Ills. Dude, Ills. Illls. Ills.

DUDE ILS IS THE KING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PLUS I HAD, HAD BARE GOOGS

DBoy · Post by **DBoy** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:06 pm

to many L's TBH.

Direkt · Post by **Direkt** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:11 pm

DBoy wrote:
Direkt wrote:
DBoy wrote:How is house not just techno?
Bit more to it than that isn't it?

General sounds... lack of snares/claps etc on techno compared to house, generally speaking... techno more minimal and quirky...

Dunno. I'm not big on either genre... but the techno my mate listens to sounds a shitload different to the house I've heard out and about... although I supposed there's a miriad of house and techno sub-styles also.
rhetorical question it was, prefer it when people read in context and don't start talking of topic I do. Cheers.

And I prefer it if people make sense... but hey, what ya gonna do? (rhetorical question).

witty_pseudonym · Post by **witty_pseudonym** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:16 pm

i like music.

Direkt · Post by **Direkt** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:17 pm

It's overated.

Direkt · Post by **Direkt** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:17 pm

....and dead

mrj · Post by **mrj** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:54 pm

Techno is as german as sausages. House is as ghey as a mexican table cloth.

Thats that argument settled, now for world peace.

Lachie_Monsta · Post by **Lachie_Monsta** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 5:24 pm

[x] Thread derailed

antis · Post by **antis** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 6:45 pm

similar sort of thing in Sydney, where there was plenty of clubs playing breaks on a weekly basis

now you are lucky to find a breaks gig any weekend

Post by **fooishbar** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 7:25 pm

youthful_implants wrote:Reso

he's ours, get your thieving hands off him.

Shifty-Sly · Post by **Shifty-Sly** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 4:39 am

Went to BA to see Dopaminen had a good night

Spent equal time in each room main room bangin 4/4 fidgit

Side room was these guys playin this stuff that had a funny drum pattern and wicked synths and it was always chopin and changing up keeping things real interseting and on your toes

Somebody asked me what it was

I said i think its called breaks

No way they replied breaks is dead

I replied........

FUCK NO BREAKS IS ALIVE AND READY TO LAY THE SMACK DOWN

Gliding High · Post by **Gliding High** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:58 am

Shifty-Sly wrote:FUCK NO BREAKS IS ALIVE AND READY TO LAY THE SMACK DOWN

Abso-fuckin-lutely my nigga.
It just a matter of time

spin · Post by **spin** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:13 am

i play breaks.

obliveus · Post by **obliveus** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 2:59 pm

Quoted from the first of these 5 pages...just so nobody thinks I'm some foreigner jumping on the bandwagon...

obliveus wrote:I still play breaks.

The real ones.

BTW If anyone's looking for my new dubstep mix, hit me up. $30.00 per download (it's that good). Also, I got a fidget house mix for $20.00. I take pay pal and both mixes come with a special 'I Was There When Breaks Broke in Melbourne 2009' t-shirt AND a limited edition stop-start tape mix of nothing but the best grime/electro-house crossover classics...with MC Danielsan on the hype.

Get em while they're hot...will be true collectors items. Petey already hit me up for 10 copies. I'm a weapon.

Direkt · Post by **Direkt** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:53 am

obliveus wrote:I'm a weapon.

Damn right homie... you need to be shot

obliveus · Post by **obliveus** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:05 am

Direkt wrote:
obliveus wrote:I'm a weapon.
Damn right homie... you need to be shot

Remember that dude...he was fricken funny.

Direkt · Post by **Direkt** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:43 am

He was golden.

same o · Post by **same o** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 12:04 pm

fooishbar wrote:
youthful_implants wrote:Reso
he's ours, get your thieving hands off him.

innit

Stray · Post by **Stray** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 1:40 pm

I play breaks.. my breaks let me show you

witty_pseudonym · Post by **witty_pseudonym** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 2:13 pm

np: Kraymon live @ Revolver c.2005 - breaks ftw.

andy_hoffman · Post by **andy_hoffman** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 3:10 pm

Got that on mp3 somewhere i think. Wish i was there! Mad set!

witty_pseudonym · Post by **witty_pseudonym** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 3:15 pm

full on. so hard to sit still to!

old breaks sets getting me through the arvo. Lynt for NuBreed now. Winner.
next up: BLIM - Toronto Breaks.
w00t!

I miss going to breaks parties.

Dj_Marty_B · Post by **Dj_Marty_B** » Thu Jan 29, 2009 3:37 pm

I play breaks, not only do I Play breaks but I play new releases every week on both my shows and out a gigs! Breaks aint dead theres fuck loads of new music out there from wikid producers.

yeah the scene has changed and a lot of the old names are no more, or are playing other styles but for those willing to take the time and listen to what current I think youll find it more than pleasing.

For heavier stuff check out Afghan headspin, Barrcode and Journey man, C83, Beta et al
Funkier stuff check out Groove Diggers, NAPT, Thayer ( as always ), Refunk ( Jay Stewart )
techy stuff check out Luqas ( esp his new one Creeper! Epic tune ), Chris Carter, Peep Show owners, Cut La Roc, Retroid....

Theres also Jinx, Neztic, D-FUNK, Mister Frisk, Mesmer, Projectiles, 601 and loads and loads more all making current music thats well good!

Dingo · Post by **Dingo** » Thu Jan 29, 2009 4:10 pm

Alot of good breaks are now just being labelled dubstep just cause theres some element of a bass wobble ppl label it dbstep automatically. Most of the good breaks I have got this year has been by surprise wen I'm diggin for dubstep and find somethin with its snares on the 2nd and 4th with some LFO freq on the bass.
For me theres not a big difference between the two- the most obvious is the snare on the 3rd in dubstep and that snare is drenched in reverb. The build up and drops are pretty different between the two- but could work either way I think.

quiet roar · Post by **quiet roar** » Thu Jan 29, 2009 4:58 pm

So dubstep is really breaks? This could get interesting....

L-J · Post by **L-J** » Thu Jan 29, 2009 5:03 pm

Dingo wrote:Alot of good breaks are now just being labelled dubstep just cause theres some element of a bass wobble ppl label it dbstep automatically. Most of the good breaks I have got this year has been by surprise wen I'm diggin for dubstep and find somethin with its snares on the 2nd and 4th with some LFO freq on the bass.
For me theres not a big difference between the two- the most obvious is the snare on the 3rd in dubstep and that snare is drenched in reverb. The build up and drops are pretty different between the two- but could work either way I think.

Like who?

Post by **fooishbar** » Thu Jan 29, 2009 5:06 pm

quite a few dubstep producers are making something which resembles breaks. and yes, very early on, some dubstep was almost an extension of breakstep (cf. early vex'd).

breaks it ain't tho, not by far.

dust · Post by **dust** » Thu Jan 29, 2009 5:18 pm

About 6 years ago i got into a massive fight with a techno DJ at a party when he tried to tell me that Drum and Bass was dead.

I still play dnb and so do a lot of people.

If this many people are still passionate about Breaks they won't die. Just going through a lull in Aus innit.

Direkt · Post by **Direkt** » Thu Jan 29, 2009 5:24 pm

I can't believe this thread is still going.

More people on here than at a breaks gig.

---I'm just joking, really.