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mrj · Post by **mrj** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 1:13 pm

valuetime wrote:
mecka wrote:I CAN say that about LiveAid back in 85 but not about this one.
liveAid was no success; africa's arguably worse off now than they were twenty years ago. so we threw a bunch of money at ethiopia? it didn't solve the problem.

to me, all these concerts do is make people feel good about themselves. it certainly doesn't raise awareness of any of the issues surrounding the current debt reduction offer.

long story short, bush/blair will exchange debt for economic deregulation and everyone will be happy that live aid made it easier to "eliminate" poverty. my ass. even lord geldof thinks bush is sincere about eliminating poverty. what a crock of cunting shit.

i'm fucking pissed off.

exactly.

Lizkins · Post by **Lizkins** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 1:25 pm

load of bollocks the whole thing IMO - as per most arguments already listed above.

do you think the people that went all cared deeply about the issue, or just cared about all the acts they got to see for free?

LÃ³s Kasinoâ€” · Mon Jul 04, 2005 1:29 pm

So Beat.Aid did nothing as well ???

LÃ³s Kasinoâ€” · Mon Jul 04, 2005 1:30 pm

( /me waits to be bombarded with abuse)

Lizkins · Post by **Lizkins** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 1:31 pm

T I C K A wrote:So Beat.Aid did nothing as well ???

it raised money to help. i believe live8 didn't.

what pissed me off was seeing P Diddy supposedly caring about it. i am sure he cares more about the hoes in his trailer than starving children. most of those big namers could donate a couple of million each and not even notice it out of their bank accounts

one less ivory back stratcher

LÃ³s Kasinoâ€” · Mon Jul 04, 2005 1:34 pm

Lizkins wrote:
T I C K A wrote:So Beat.Aid did nothing as well ???
it raised money to help. i believe live8 didn't.

true, it didnt raise money directly, but do u think there will be an increase in child-sponsership after the event ? lets hope so.

Lizkins · Post by **Lizkins** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 1:42 pm

T I C K A wrote:
Lizkins wrote:
T I C K A wrote:So Beat.Aid did nothing as well ???
it raised money to help. i believe live8 didn't.

true, it didnt raise money directly, but do u think there will be an increase in child-sponsership after the event ? lets hope so.

now that would be good!!! something useful!

hmmm and while we are at it, lets do a concert that tells the catholic church to shove-it in terms of their anti-contraception ways so that more children are not being born into poverty. i wonder if that would work? you know, deal with the current problem without adding to it. that could be the theme song for the night.

the list could go on....

sneaky hands · Post by **sneaky hands** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 1:44 pm

its highly likely that a lot of the stars are already donating fairly large sums of money. a lot of rich people do. its a lovely way to cut down your tax and feel like youre doing something good at the same time.

Lizkins · Post by **Lizkins** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 1:48 pm

sneaky hands wrote:its highly likely that a lot of the stars are already donating fairly large sums of money. a lot of rich people do. its a lovely way to cut down your tax and feel like youre doing something good at the same time.

yeah that is sweet of em

Hardy · Post by **Hardy** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 1:51 pm

T I C K A wrote:So Beat.Aid did nothing as well ???

Apples and oranges.

valuetime · Post by **valuetime** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 1:58 pm

the tsunami was a natural disaster. politics only comes into it because the indo's don't want aceh getting aid. the outpouring of money was great, and beat.aid was a great event.

african poverty is part circumstance but mostly political. dropping debt is not a bad idea, but in reality, rewarding corrupt regimes who play ball doesn't eliminate poverty. live aid may have raised money 20 years ago, but what real good did it do, objectively? ethiopia is still fucked; africa's poorer than it was 20 years ago. it's hailed as a complete success?

imo, live8 totally legitimised bush/blair's utterly cynical debt reduction offer, which won't eliminate poverty but prolong it.

LÃ³s Kasinoâ€” · Mon Jul 04, 2005 2:00 pm

valuetime wrote:and beat.aid was a great event.

was just stirrin !

sneaky hands · Post by **sneaky hands** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 2:06 pm

sending money there isnt going to stop the seemingly never-ending waves of genocide that sweep across africa. i have no idea what would though. anyone got any suggestions?

LÃ³s Kasinoâ€” · Mon Jul 04, 2005 2:08 pm

sneaky hands wrote:sending money there isnt going to stop the seemingly never-ending waves of genocide that sweep across africa. i have no idea what would though. anyone got any suggestions?

quote from a news forum -

Africa cannot be fixed from without; it must be fixed from within. As bad as conditions are in many parts of Africa, they can, and will, get worse. We also must realize that these conditions didn't just spring up overnight. Tribal genocide has been going on for centuries; the only difference is automatic weapons. The warlord phenomenon is also not new and is a cultural expression typical of many parts of Africa. IOW, I'm not confident that Africa has the cultural base to handle democracy right now. In all likelihood, any election would be a choice between warlord "A" and warlord "B" so little would likely be accomplished anyway.

Leave Africa alone and let her find her own way. As hard as that may sound; I think it's the only way.

hmmm....

valuetime · Post by **valuetime** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 2:09 pm

vote in the greens. it's entirely possible they won't skimp on international aid, like howard does. it might do some good.

sneaky hands · Post by **sneaky hands** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 2:13 pm

T I C K A wrote: Leave Africa alone and let her find her own way. As hard as that may sound; I think it's the only way.

id have to say i kinda agree. i saw kim beazley on lateline a couple months ago defending his desire to bring the troops back from iraq. his main argument was that no matter what a peace keeping force does, ultimately they have to leave and the people in the country need to sort things out. same with africa. the scary thing is youll end up with entire racial subgroups being wiped out along the way.

Post by **breaksRbest** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 2:20 pm

T I C K A wrote:
Lizkins wrote:
T I C K A wrote:So Beat.Aid did nothing as well ???
it raised money to help. i believe live8 didn't.

true, it didnt raise money directly, but do u think there will be an increase in child-sponsership after the event ? lets hope so.

the tickets were Free???

I had no idea.

At least they could've made each person sponsor a kid for a year.

Lizkins · Post by **Lizkins** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 2:55 pm

breaksRbest wrote:
T I C K A wrote:
Lizkins wrote: it raised money to help. i believe live8 didn't.

true, it didnt raise money directly, but do u think there will be an increase in child-sponsership after the event ? lets hope so.

the tickets were Free??? I had no idea.

At least they could've made each person sponsor a kid for a year.

good idea brb

that quote you just put up Ticka is full on. but i tend to agree that troops don't seem to help. the people themselves even beg them to get out cos they cause them more problems than helping. its a pattern

Lephrenic · Post by **Lephrenic** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 3:03 pm

Tribal genocide has been going on for centuries; the only difference is automatic weapons.

And who paid for them? We did.

Massacres like in Rwanda would not have been possible on such a scale without the channeling of money from the Bretton Woods institutions, who were constantly aware that the funds were being diverted to the military. Knowing this, they continued to lend the Rwandan government more money, even when they began buying huge caches of machetes.

shepherd · Post by **shepherd** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 4:09 pm

melb clubs are doing a similar thing - press release below.

Melbourne set to make clubbing history

8 Melbourne clubs have joined together to raise awareness of the G8's power and influence over African debt ridden countries.

Live 8 - Melbourne - will take place over 8 venues Friday 8 and Saturday 9 of July - and expects to reach 3,000 clubbers in the space of 36 hours.

Each venue will also be donating items to be sent directly towards the famine stricken in Africa.

Inspired by the huge PR of Sir Bob Geldof's concurrent concerts in London, Paris, Tokyo and Philadelphia to name a few, Melbourne club promoters have been quick to catch the fever.

"What made the Live 8 gigs so special was all the free PR" says Kofi Slice, organiser and sole benefactor. "You can't buy that sort of reach."

Slice believes the charity gig is a windfall for promoters suffering a tough winter.

"The last time we had something similar was the Tsunami, which ensured charity gigs with unspecified donations lasted all the way til March."

Oddly enough, the gigs take place after the G8 summit, which will see the 8 most powerful men in the world get together for a chin wag. Slice, it seems, doesn't mind.

"This is an ongoing issue! Poverty needs to be addressed" he stated valiantly, going on to add that he couldn't secure 2 Floors Up in time for it to coincide with the real Live 8.

Live 8 - Melbourne - is guaranteed to have a swag of exclusive, never before seen highlights.

"We're rapt to be doing something completely next level - first of all, we've booked Boogs to play a 2 hour 43 minute set - which is a complete first and a world exclusive. We've also going to concurrently run German and Soulful House side rooms in a few venues."

Slice is also coy about a special versus set he has planned.

"I saw Chris Martin and Richard Ashcroft and had a brainwave - Boogs AND Spacey Space together on the decks. That would be amazing. Them or John Course and Smillie - whoever feels guilty enough to play for 2 drink cards."

All DJs are being asked to play free of charge, not exactly a new phenomenon.

"It's the only way" Slice explained, "It's a long winter and I needs to get paid ... in order to make sure those African kids see a bit of it too."

For more information check Zebra and 100% this Wednesday.

10.15 · Post by **10.15** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 4:13 pm

shepherd wrote:"We're rapt to be doing something completely next level - first of all, we've booked Boogs to play a 2 hour 43 minute set - which is a complete first and a world exclusive. We've also going to concurrently run German and Soulful House side rooms in a few venues."

Slice is also coy about a special versus set he has planned.

"I saw Chris Martin and Richard Ashcroft and had a brainwave - Boogs AND Spacey Space together on the decks. That would be amazing. Them or John Course and Smillie - whoever feels guilty enough to play for 2 drink cards."

All DJs are being asked to play free of charge, not exactly a new phenomenon.

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killeye · Post by **killeye** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:40 pm

**re: hijack DC and mecka:it is a juicer, although it is called a "Juicy Salif" designed for Alessi by Mr Philippe Starck. I have one, but only for aesthetic purposes!**

re: this thread..quite an interesting read. for those of you who may doubt the power of politcal pressure, I have a story!
During my high school years I was heavily involved in Amnesty International. Every year they had a 'letterthon' where we'd all write as many letters as possible to governments about cases of human rights violations. One particular year we did really well, got heaps of people invovled and sent a tonne of letters over to the government of one partiuclar country(cannot remember where, possibly Pakhistan?). Our letters actually prompted a response from their government claiming that we all had been brainwashed and that none of the violations had occured (despite AI's information).
Point of the story: Don't deny people power!

Lephrenic · Post by **Lephrenic** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 9:48 pm

Charity is noble and people power is great. It's just all too often misguided.

sneaky hands · Post by **sneaky hands** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 10:13 am

http://www.theage.com.au/news/tim-coleb ... 81612.html

Mellogs · Post by **Mellogs** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 9:10 pm

MSN Today informs me that Bob Geldof is being nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for his contributions to helping poor nations..

sweetcheeks · Post by **sweetcheeks** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 9:14 pm

die Madge you elasticised gaping minge full of mucous, die [and it's not even 3 in the morning! well done trish!]

the pink floyd was amazing but

Terry Tate · Post by **Terry Tate** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:35 pm

i think in todays world where the media pretty much runs everything and shapes the popular opinion that they may as well use it to try and make a positive change in the world.
it might not do much but at least it was bringing something other than big brother or shit like that into the public eye.
id like to think were all pretty compassionate, intelligent people and in touch with whats happening in the world. but for millions of people out there, their source of information is the tv and they believe what theyre spoon-fed. maybe after this more people will think of others and stop being so selfish.
i thought it wouldve been more effective if all the 'rockstars' performing at the live8's around the world had donated 10% of their income to help build the infrastructure needed in africa. its not like they cant afford it. it also seems like a much more direct route than all this awareness and debt cancellation. and as already noted, the western world is just going to rape the african resources even harder now to make up for their lost money.

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