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Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:38 pm**

cammo wrote:
fair enough on the complete disregard. but it can not be conformed to here n not there
i see graf as the same group.
its all about the art. caligaffiti

ach.
i cant win today.

but there is both good and bad in all things.
flipsides.

you have to admit that there is good taggers and bad taggers cammo, just like good artists and bad ones ? yesno??

and good djs and bad ? i can go on....

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:43 pm**

ghetto kitty wrote:
cammo wrote:
fair enough on the complete disregard. but it can not be conformed to here n not there
i see graf as the same group.
its all about the art. caligraffiti
ach.
i cant win today.

but there is both good and bad in all things.
flipsides.

you have to admit that there is good taggers and bad taggers cammo, just like good artists and bad ones ? yesno??

and good djs and bad ? i can go on....

true
cant have the good with out the bad
find it funny how everyone loves graf n hate tags
love art but hate the artist
great dj but shit tunes

there is no way in talking with govs departments cause they will be stuck in that metallity that graf is ok tagging sucks.
graf as a whole is great. take the good n the bad

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:50 pm**

cammo wrote: there is no way in talking with govs departments cause they will be stuck in that metallity that graf is ok tagging sucks.
graf as a whole is great. take the good n the bad

not our govt, they hate it all it seems.
and i heart graff.

i love giant throwies peeking from tops of buildings, i love tiny words of poetry, i love 3D objects glued to buildings, i love pasties and drippies and the smell of montana gold coming from a dark corner.

but i do not like ego, big upping, toying and slashing, and thats all part of it too.

flipsides....we humans are full o them

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:51 pm**

flippo wrote:
shepherd wrote:
I have been in negotiation with some members of government to try and impose an "image" tax on comanies that appropriate images of the environment for sales of their product if they don't actually show that they are taking major steps to reduce emissions, waste and other problems created by the production/use of their product.
that's a great idea ... would be awesome if it happened.
great thinking! How about a "you're stealing my great great grandkids fucking food and water fuckttards tax" for all these clowns with mamoth eco-footprints. How about a general "What the fuck have you done you cunts" tax for pretty much everyone

shit music and bad tellivision tax?

A simple audit of the dude fron Nickleback who looks like the paddlepop lion, the Goo Goo Dolls, Meg Ryan and anything involving Gretel Killeen would generate MILLIONS for the bad TV/music tax.

Pump it into industry grants and a jail for the abovementioned.

Flippo, you are my new policy development minister in my dream government.

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:53 pm**

c'mon dudes - lay off nickleback

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 4:05 pm**

shepherd wrote:'what have you done for cunts'

fuck 'em!

sorry, couldn't resist

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 4:20 pm**

C.I.A. wrote:
flippo wrote:
shepherd wrote: that's a great idea ... would be awesome if it happened.
great thinking! How about a "you're stealing my great great grandkids fucking food and water fuckttards tax" for all these clowns with mamoth eco-footprints. How about a general "What the fuck have you done you cunts" tax for pretty much everyone

shit music and bad tellivision tax?

A simple audit of the dude fron Nickleback who looks like the paddlepop lion, the Goo Goo Dolls, Meg Ryan and anything involving Gretel Killeen would generate MILLIONS for the bad TV/music tax.

Pump it into industry grants and a jail for the abovementioned.

Flippo, you are my new policy development minister in my dream government.

I will go mad with power. In the future, people will talk about the attrocities at Twister Clubnight, much like the way we talk about Auschwitz.

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 4:21 pm**

This thread sounds familiar. Did we have this discussion early last year??? I'm almost sure of it...I'm having flashbacks of sitting in an office typing arguments abou graff. And I remember that word Cammo used "caligraffiti".

Great word by the way

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 4:24 pm**

cammo wrote:
Direktor wrote:
ghetto kitty wrote: thats exactly my previous point about tagging.

fair enough on the complete disregard. but it can not be conformed to here n not there
i see graf as the same group.
its all about the art. caligraffiti
before you do a piece, you do a throw up, before that a tag, before the stencil the drawing or image you rip off. the person doing a piece would not have been able to do so if he did not start off wit a tag first. crawl before you run. its a natural progression. dont have to like tagging but it is all the same. i find beuty in the written word and the colur used.
in both so called groups each is done for its own reason. tagging for the art form or pieceing just to see their own name everywhere

Cammo, why can't people practise their tags at home then? Why do they have to practise it on people's cars/trucks/walls/houses etc... that just doesn't make sense. Why don't they build a wall in their backyard and practise there first - I really don't understand.

And why do we HAVE to take the good with the bad. Sure, philosophically we have to have both, but it doesn't mean we can't try to improve the ratio of the two.

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 4:26 pm**

weve sorta talked about it already yes....

calligrafitttititititititititititititit

rocks.

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 4:27 pm**

ghetto kitty wrote:weve sorta talked about it already yes....

calligrafitttititititititititititititit

rocks.

I know. Just answering Cammo's post.

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 4:30 pm**

Direktor wrote:Cammo, why can't people practise their tags at home then? Why do they have to practise it on people's cars/trucks/walls/houses etc... that just doesn't make sense. Why don't they build a wall in their backyard and practise their first - I really don't understand.

they do. can you understand now? prob not
flick of my old house

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 4:48 pm**

cammo wrote:
Direktor wrote:Cammo, why can't people practise their tags at home then? Why do they have to practise it on people's cars/trucks/walls/houses etc... that just doesn't make sense. Why don't they build a wall in their backyard and practise their first - I really don't understand.
they do. can you understand now? prob not

Well, no. I posted up that I hate seeing tags about everywhere (on private property) - you said, and I paraphrase, that it's a necessary evil... but I'm not bitching about dudes taggin up their own property - my beef is with people doing it on other people's property.... Seems that we're agreed on that then.

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 4:58 pm**

Direktor wrote:
cammo wrote:
Direktor wrote:Cammo, why can't people practise their tags at home then? Why do they have to practise it on people's cars/trucks/walls/houses etc... that just doesn't make sense. Why don't they build a wall in their backyard and practise their first - I really don't understand.
they do. can you understand now? prob not
Well, no. I posted up that I hate seeing tags about everywhere (on private property) - you said, and I paraphrase, that it's a necessary evil... but I'm not bitching about dudes taggin up their own property - my beef is with people doing it on other people's property.... Seems that we're agreed on that then.

no. im not getting drawn into this. we are sitting on two different sides of the fence. but i wholeheartly disagree with you and respect your opinon. end of story

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:00 pm**

This is all going in a circle. Good to see the City of Melbourne sponsoring legal graf these days, at any rate.

Not so good to see the 1990 mindset in full effect.

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:11 pm**

cammo wrote: no. im not getting drawn into this. we are sitting on two different sides of the fence. but i wholeheartly disagree with you and respect your opinon. end of story

Not trying to draw you into anything. I am now very confused. But, I'll let it rest all the same...

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:14 pm**

I miss your warehouse Cammo.

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:23 pm**

We've discussed this so many times on MB.C, and it all ends up the same.

I'm with Cammo:

cammo wrote:we are sitting on two different sides of the fence. but i wholeheartly disagree with you and respect your opinon. end of story

Seriously. Think what you want about graff, tags, fast food, petrol prices, the war, shit tunes, "muzza's", abortion, the ashes, weight gain, Today Tonight, whatever... fact is, I know what I like, and I don't care if you don't... it doesn't mean we're not friends, it just means we don't agree.

So, agree to disagree, please!

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:25 pm**

lynt wrote:We've discussed this so many times on MB.C, and it all ends up the same.

I'm with Cammo:
cammo wrote:we are sitting on two different sides of the fence. but i wholeheartly disagree with you and respect your opinon. end of story
Seriously. Think what you want about graff, tags, fast food, petrol prices, the war, shit tunes, "muzza's", abortion, the ashes, weight gain, Today Tonight, whatever... fact is, I know what I like, and I don't care if you don't... it doesn't mean we're not friends, it just means we don't agree.

So, agree to disagree, please!

This has been a fairly civil convo hasn't it?

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:28 pm**

Sure. I'm just saying out of the several threads I could dig up on this exact topic, you'll see all the results are exactly the same. Civil or not.

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:29 pm**

True true

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:29 pm**

lynt wrote:We've discussed this so many times on MB.C, and it all ends up the same.

I'm with Cammo:
cammo wrote:we are sitting on two different sides of the fence. but i wholeheartly disagree with you and respect your opinon. end of story
Seriously. Think what you want about graff, tags, fast food, petrol prices, the war, shit tunes, "muzza's", abortion, the ashes, weight gain, Today Tonight, whatever... fact is, I know what I like, and I don't care if you don't... it doesn't mean we're not friends, it just means we don't agree.

So, agree to disagree, please!

I don't agree

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:29 pm**

So, I like tags, how about you?

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:30 pm**

lynt wrote:We've discussed this so many times on MB.C, and it all ends up the same.

I'm with Cammo:
cammo wrote:we are sitting on two different sides of the fence. but i wholeheartly disagree with you and respect your opinon. end of story
Seriously. Think what you want about graff, tags, fast food, petrol prices, the war, shit tunes, "muzza's", abortion, the ashes, weight gain, Today Tonight, whatever... fact is, I know what I like, and I don't care if you don't... it doesn't mean we're not friends, it just means we don't agree.

So, agree to disagree, please!

I know what I like, part of that is debate and discusion. I don't play the chameleon, if I disagree with something, particulary if it affects me or everyone else, I'm going to talk about it. Even if I just find it funny I'm going to talk about it. It's just discussion, dont oppress me

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:31 pm**

Probably a little of topic here but still relevant

check these pictures out from xmas day in london on the underground. They have been cleaned off now. I really like what they did to brixton but most of camden town looks terrible! Seems like war has been decleared!

Brixton bunnys strike! http://www.flickr.com/photos/alex_buchanan/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveknapik ... 440789560/

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:32 pm**

flippo wrote:
lynt wrote:We've discussed this so many times on MB.C, and it all ends up the same.

I'm with Cammo:
cammo wrote:we are sitting on two different sides of the fence. but i wholeheartly disagree with you and respect your opinon. end of story
Seriously. Think what you want about graff, tags, fast food, petrol prices, the war, shit tunes, "muzza's", abortion, the ashes, weight gain, Today Tonight, whatever... fact is, I know what I like, and I don't care if you don't... it doesn't mean we're not friends, it just means we don't agree.

So, agree to disagree, please!
I know what I like, part of that is debate and discusion. I don't play the chameleon, if I disagree with something, particulary if it affects me or everyone else, I'm going to talk about it. Even if I just find it funny I'm going to talk about it. It's just discussion, dont oppress me

Haha, go for your life. But you're about 5 graffiti threads too late.

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:35 pm**

lynt wrote:So, I like tags, how about you?

I like tags too

Just out of interest, how do you feel about tags on the front door/window of someones house or business?

still ok?

Liam: those pics are farken excellent!

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:40 pm**

Liam: those pics are farken excellent!

Yeah, they are pretty cool aye! They should have left those up at brixton i reckon. Funny thing is i used to live near there not so long ago

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:47 pm**

deviant wrote:
lynt wrote:So, I like tags, how about you?
I like tags too

Just out of interest, how do you feel about tags on the front door/window of someones house or business?

still ok?

They don't upset me.

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:09 pm**

I just got home and on my way here I noticed that someone has defaced the giant skull banner that is outside the republic building....... in a really crap way

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:39 pm**

ghetto kitty wrote: and i know at least eighty artists in this city who can do amazing legal walls, but they arent either 'connected' enough or 'in' enough with the 'right' people.

Welcome to the 'Business' of art and the challenge of networking

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:48 pm**

flippo wrote: dont oppress me

The opressed masses are revolting!

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 7:31 pm**

deviant wrote:I just got home and on my way here I noticed that someone has defaced the giant skull banner that is outside the republic building....... in a really crap way

That upsets me.

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 8:54 pm**

In before the lock.

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 9:40 pm**

tagging sucks, yes.
but it is part of the culture, and most talented graffers/artists also tag from time to time.
however, people like koma and bonez, vosko, who just blatantly 'get up' wherever and however possible, can fuck right off IMO.

LOL

yeh i said it

Posted: **Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:55 pm**

cammo wrote:
ghetto kitty wrote:tagging sucks, yes.
tagging rocks
one example, krink markers are my favs

Dude the drips make it look like a 10 year old has done it. Get some control of your equipment. Its not Jackson Pollick time. Its street art

Posted: **Thu Jan 04, 2007 12:14 am**

kronz wrote:Dude the drips make it look like a 10 year old has done it. Get some control of your equipment. Its not Jackson Pollick time. Its street art

dude. drips are in. flow that ink. 15 yr old kids dont even know about waste ting ink. wot is street art slash wank art. first flick says it all. tagging wit my kid / kid you not.
shit get the kr bbok

block rock/dripping

Posted: **Thu Jan 04, 2007 9:55 am**

im all for drips

Posted: **Thu Jan 04, 2007 9:58 am**

Spherix wrote:im all for drips

Buy up on gloves then.

Posted: **Thu Jan 04, 2007 10:51 am**

so hot right now

Posted: **Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:44 am**

sorry to drag this thread up again, but ...

Posted: **Sun Jan 07, 2007 1:35 pm**

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