Is my boss spying on me?

almax · Post by **almax** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:31 pm

I have heard that some bosses have a program that allows them to watch what you are doing on your computer from affar, there is also a way to tell whether they are i believe.
Yesterday i got given a brand new computer which is all good, but i have a job interview tomorrow and i was doing some research just now, looking at the companies website and the email i was sent confirming the interview.
My Boss strolls up, she hardly ever speaks with me, and sends me scrambling trying to cover the website (thank fuck for alt tab) and she makes some idle chit chat, then asks me if i would like a promotion. Bit strange since ive been slacking off in recent weeks cos im over it.
So anywho, my question is....

Can you tell if your boss is spying on you and how?

Post by **JAMESSSS** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:33 pm

Keep doing what you are doing.

CEO in weeks.

SoulWhiteMan · Post by **SoulWhiteMan** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:46 pm

almax wrote:I have heard that some bosses have a program that allows them to watch what you are doing on your computer from affar, there is also a way to tell whether they are i believe.
Yesterday i got given a brand new computer which is all good, but i have a job interview tomorrow and i was doing some research just now, looking at the companies website and the email i was sent confirming the interview.
My Boss strolls up, she hardly ever speaks with me, and sends me scrambling trying to cover the website (thank fuck for alt tab) and she makes some idle chit chat, then asks me if i would like a promotion. Bit strange since ive been slacking off in recent weeks cos im over it.
So anywho, my question is....

Can you tell if your boss is spying on you and how?

get peer guardian, it will show you ip addresses trying to access your computer.

if your work has a local "tracker" - then you know.....

Mellogs · Post by **Mellogs** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:50 pm

Find out if you have a VPN

Post by **fooishbar** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:52 pm

neither peer guardian nor a vpn will influence it, really. if you browse through a proxy (which you very probably do), then everything is logged anyway. so it's just a matter of whether or not they bother looking at the logs.

SoulWhiteMan · Post by **SoulWhiteMan** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:53 pm

but, if they're trying to look at you realtime?

kronz · Post by **kronz** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:56 pm

I know they have the ability to monitor me at work hence my lack of attendance to mb.c randomness of late

Mellogs · Post by **Mellogs** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:59 pm

fooishbar wrote:neither peer guardian nor a vpn will influence it, really. if you browse through a proxy (which you very probably do), then everything is logged anyway. so it's just a matter of whether or not they bother looking at the logs.

it will be easier to view the logs if there is a VPN. I suggest you remote to your home PC or bypass the proxy.

deviant · Post by **deviant** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:59 pm

kronz wrote:I know they have the ability to monitor me at work hence my lack of attendance to mb.c randomness of late

me too

Post by **fooishbar** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:02 pm

SoulWhiteMan wrote:but, if they're trying to look at you realtime?

*shrug*, you can look at the logs realtime and work it out. if they're trying to actually screenscrape your session, then yes, peerguardian will be of some help, but that means they'll see that too.

Post by **fooishbar** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:04 pm

Mellogs wrote:
fooishbar wrote:neither peer guardian nor a vpn will influence it, really. if you browse through a proxy (which you very probably do), then everything is logged anyway. so it's just a matter of whether or not they bother looking at the logs.

it will be easier to view the logs if there is a VPN. I suggest you remote to your home PC or bypass the proxy.

er, really, if there's a proxy, then it logs. and the logs will be right there for the it dept to look at. vpn only makes a difference if you're logged into your work network remotely, in which case it's the difference between proxy and no proxy anyway. tunneling to your home pc is an option if it works, but usually bypassing the proxy without some kind of tunnel just doesn't work.

Mellogs · Post by **Mellogs** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:12 pm

fooishbar wrote:
Mellogs wrote:
fooishbar wrote:neither peer guardian nor a vpn will influence it, really. if you browse through a proxy (which you very probably do), then everything is logged anyway. so it's just a matter of whether or not they bother looking at the logs.

it will be easier to view the logs if there is a VPN. I suggest you remote to your home PC or bypass the proxy.
er, really, if there's a proxy, then it logs. and the logs will be right there for the it dept to look at. vpn only makes a difference if you're logged into your work network remotely, in which case it's the difference between proxy and no proxy anyway. tunneling to your home pc is an option if it works, but usually bypassing the proxy without some kind of tunnel just doesn't work.

Yeah, I remote into our work network which is such a draining experience.
Remoting into my home PC is the only way I seem to be able to avoid my boss. But dont ask me, what would I know, I'm just a girl

Post by **JAMESSSS** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:24 pm

Great thread.

Good tips!

Stray · Post by **Stray** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:34 pm

I'm watching all of you

Post by **fooishbar** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:38 pm

Mellogs wrote:Remoting into my home PC is the only way I seem to be able to avoid my boss.

db · Post by db » Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:32 pm

almax wrote:I have heard that some bosses have a program that allows them to watch what you are doing on your computer from affar, there is also a way to tell whether they are i believe.
Yesterday i got given a brand new computer which is all good, but i have a job interview tomorrow and i was doing some research just now, looking at the companies website and the email i was sent confirming the interview.
My Boss strolls up, she hardly ever speaks with me, and sends me scrambling trying to cover the website (thank fuck for alt tab) and she makes some idle chit chat, then asks me if i would like a promotion. Bit strange since ive been slacking off in recent weeks cos im over it.
So anywho, my question is....

Can you tell if your boss is spying on you and how?

Yes, prob with a prog like PC Anywhere.

Used to use it with clients for work. Great Prog !!

Can't remember if the end user could see you, look in your icon tray for a remote based icon.

This was 4 years ago thou, I'm sure there are all sorts of mad snooping prog's these days.

Gaylords.

db · Post by db » Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:33 pm

P.S. I'm gonna fill your work email inbox with penis enlarging invites... Mwoo ha ha ha.

nic · Post by **nic** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:38 pm

lol im in control of vnc at work and often remotely 'oversee' the other clowns.

if they have too many internet open i close it or type in bad stuff when they are away then come and see 'whats going on!?' when they come back

good fun

db · Post by db » Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:43 pm

nic wrote:lol im in control of vnc at work and often remotely 'oversee' the other clowns.

if they have too many internet open i close it or type in bad stuff when they are away then come and see 'whats going on!?' when they come back

good fun

What software do you use ?

nic · Post by **nic** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:50 pm

realvnc, free and easy

its not really covert though as you can see when someone is on your comp cause the utiliy icon goes dark, only see that if you look for it though

its more useful for operating comps without screens

db · Post by db » Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:56 pm

Nice. Freeware rules.

a1studmuffin · Post by **a1studmuffin** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:38 pm

I think most IT departments worth the oxygen they breathe will have this kind of software (remote access + surveillance) installed on all the work machines anyway to make their tech support easier. It wouldn't be a stretch to imagine the boss requests the IT department install the same monitoring software on their machine to easily check what people are doing. If they know it's possible at all.

Fents · Post by **Fents** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 9:02 am

I love being my own boss. I watch myself all the time.

Blaxter · Post by **Blaxter** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 9:57 am

Fents wrote:I love being my own boss. I watch myself all the time.

In the mirror??

Fents · Post by **Fents** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 9:58 am

sure, why not.

Blaxter · Post by **Blaxter** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:01 am

On a serious note though, My work has Radmin Viewer. They can log in and see whats on your screen in real time or they can log in and use your PC and take over your mouse.
Theres a blue R on the Tool bar and it changes to red when they are remote monitoring.

mixtress · Post by **mixtress** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:07 am

Yup, we had that stuff at HT. If you had a problem with your mouse moving all funny you knew it was cause some fucktard in It was shadowing your work.

Almax, considering your boss didn't come up and say get the fuck out and actually offered you a promotion, I'd say you're in a good position

gnat · Post by **gnat** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:18 am

when i get an office with a window i'll stop surfing sites at work

i'd argue that in court

Blaxter · Post by **Blaxter** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:23 am

gnat wrote:when i get an office with a window i'll stop surfing sites at work

i'd argue that in court

Thats great - but we've got 360 dgree views of Melbourne on the 21st floor of an office building.

gnat · Post by **gnat** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:24 am

haha- think off something else that oppresses your spirit and harms your health then, besides just work that is

mixtress · Post by **mixtress** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:40 am

No windows for me either. Thanks Gnat, needed an excuse and that sounds like a good'un

Mellogs · Post by **Mellogs** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:43 am

gnat wrote:haha- think off something else that oppresses your spirit and harms your health then, besides just work that is

men

saintberry · Post by **saintberry** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:52 am

Mellogs wrote:
fooishbar wrote:
Mellogs wrote:
it will be easier to view the logs if there is a VPN. I suggest you remote to your home PC or bypass the proxy.
er, really, if there's a proxy, then it logs. and the logs will be right there for the it dept to look at. vpn only makes a difference if you're logged into your work network remotely, in which case it's the difference between proxy and no proxy anyway. tunneling to your home pc is an option if it works, but usually bypassing the proxy without some kind of tunnel just doesn't work.
Yeah, I remote into our work network which is such a draining experience.
Remoting into my home PC is the only way I seem to be able to avoid my boss. But dont ask me, what would I know, I'm just a girl

You're not bypassing the proxy, just encapsulating/encrypting your payload (fucking nerd terms) before it hits it. Which has the same effect I guess. Your boss will be able to track usage, just not make sense of it.

There are lots of VPN architectures and protocols that can be used - some will allow you to do this others won't, and to varying degrees of confidentiality.

Anyway, back to the original question. If you are connected to any sort of *nix server anyone with access to it can easily capture every single packet that goes in and out of the thing in real time. There is an API built into the kernel just for doing that...

It's a little harder in a doze environment, but can also be done.

You wouldn't need anything installed on the client to snoop Internet traffic on a corporate internal network. Just something between it and the WAN connection. You won't know. Just assume your boss is.

FoundationStepper · Post by **FoundationStepper** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 11:01 am

black star wrote:
gnat wrote:when i get an office with a window i'll stop surfing sites at work

i'd argue that in court
Thats great - but we've got 360 dgree views of Melbourne on the 21st floor of an office building.

with the wasties from EPA innit

Post by **system** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 11:04 am

Mellogs wrote:
gnat wrote:haha- think off something else that oppresses your spirit and harms your health then, besides just work that is
men

encrypt, then tunnel. profit.

Blaxter · Post by **Blaxter** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 11:13 am

Mellogs wrote:
gnat wrote:haha- think off something else that oppresses your spirit and harms your health then, besides just work that is
men

I could go that one too I spose.
Except my boss is a woman (I think).

jungle_tactics · Post by **jungle_tactics** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 11:18 am

almax wrote:I have heard that some bosses have a program that allows them to watch what you are doing on your computer from affar, there is also a way to tell whether they are i believe.
Yesterday i got given a brand new computer which is all good, but i have a job interview tomorrow and i was doing some research just now, looking at the companies website and the email i was sent confirming the interview.
My Boss strolls up, she hardly ever speaks with me, and sends me scrambling trying to cover the website (thank fuck for alt tab) and she makes some idle chit chat, then asks me if i would like a promotion. Bit strange since ive been slacking off in recent weeks cos im over it.
So anywho, my question is....

Can you tell if your boss is spying on you and how?

Al..... didn't you think for a second to ask the guy who works in the same
company as you... As an IT tech? Short answer, yes we do use VNC and
other remote assistance apps.

Is she spying on you? Doubt it, not by any technical means anyway. If
anything she is looking over your shoulder.

Any Team leader/project manager that needs to have shit installed
needs to go through the help desk. They are really strict about giving
users admin rights (which they would require to install the client to view
your PC) also they would have to be a member of a security group we
maintain that would allow them to use the VNC or Remote Assistance.

If a user comes up asking for VNC access we ask a LOT of questions.

It's not something that a typical user would need or require and the only
ones that do have and use it are the @Home guys to assist their agents
working at home.

Hope that answers your question.

Post by **huge** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 11:21 am

lol. noobs.

diode · Post by **diode** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 11:25 am

Here where I work we have access to a program that can tell us what sites a user has visited including google searches, How long they have had applications open for and what times of the day and pretty much any info you can think of. Do we use it to spy on people....no not at all.

I.T will only check someones logs etc if they have done something extremely bad and need some evidence to sack them or give warnings....So just relax and don't surf porn sites.

Post by **huge** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 11:29 am

isnt it kind of illegal to spy on people anyway?

we can do it with Apple Remote Desktop, VNC (vnc is highly vulnerable and you should really not use it if you are opening it up to the internets) and Zenworks. Also we have reporting software and auditing software that runs everyday much like Diode up thurr does.

diode · Post by **diode** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 11:36 am

Diode up thurr does

urban dictionary:

"Another way of saying "there" made popular by the ever ignornant rapper, Chingy."

Word up Hugh.!

almax · Post by **almax** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:40 pm

jungle_tactics wrote:
Al..... didn't you think for a second to ask the guy who works in the same
company as you... As an IT tech?

you are answering my question right? so i have asked you...lol did you want me to send you a PM as well?

(to be honest i forgot that was you role now, can you hook me up with access to some sites i want?

Post by **system** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:12 pm

huge wrote:isnt it kind of illegal to spy on people anyway?

generally not if it's in the workplace and limited to computer usage.

(that means get rid of your toilet cams now, huge.

)

Post by **huge** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:22 pm

i did have webcams setup to spy on the cleaners lol.

they were eating our boiled sweets

jungle_tactics · Post by **jungle_tactics** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:26 pm

almax wrote:
jungle_tactics wrote:
Al..... didn't you think for a second to ask the guy who works in the same
company as you... As an IT tech?
you are answering my question right? so i have asked you...lol did you want me to send you a PM as well?
(to be honest i forgot that was you role now, can you hook me up with access to some sites i want?

I work for Salmat Support not Salesforce (same offices) but different network
domain so I can't help you out. Sorry dude.

mrj · Post by **mrj** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:28 pm

huge wrote:i did have webcams setup to spy on the cleaners lol.

they were eating our boiled sweets

lol boiled sweets. ok nanna!!

Lizkins · Post by **Lizkins** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:33 pm

huge wrote:isnt it kind of illegal to spy on people anyway?

yes it is! i even checked this with the IT guys here and they said they have to ask permission every time, or they are in HEAPS of trouble.

anyhoo, you IT nerds just need to check the logs and then the person is busted anyways.

Post by **JAMESSSS** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:38 pm

Are you sure? Legally I would have thought if the company wants to monitor it's computers then they can.

Blaxter · Post by **Blaxter** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:40 pm

Lizkins wrote:
huge wrote:isnt it kind of illegal to spy on people anyway?

yes it is! i even checked this with the IT guys here and they said they have to ask permission every time, or they are in HEAPS of trouble.

anyhoo, you IT nerds just need to check the logs and then the person is busted anyways.

My old manager who is a fuck tard used Radmin viewer to look at details/ phots of porspective flats I was checking in my lunch break. I caught him I was showing a mate at work, and the red R cam on in the task bar. Piece of shit wanker got to see my wikkid new town house with swimming pool - hope he got jealous.

ulyssian · Post by **ulyssian** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:41 pm

my 'bosses' not that i really have one, but they want to put a tracking device in my car so they can log where i go... which would mean no more shopping trips

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