is melbournebeats.com dead?

nic · Post by **nic** » Wed Feb 03, 2010 4:10 pm

i think its dying / dead.

1.who killed it?
2.can it ever return to former glory lols?
3.what happened to breaks?

etc.

Amick · Post by **Amick** » Wed Feb 03, 2010 4:11 pm

zomg my life is oveer if its tru

nic · Post by **nic** » Wed Feb 03, 2010 4:12 pm

suicide pact bro?

Amick · Post by **Amick** » Wed Feb 03, 2010 4:13 pm

dealz

youthful_implants · Post by **youthful_implants** » Wed Feb 03, 2010 4:23 pm

no yes maybe

almax · Post by **almax** » Wed Feb 03, 2010 4:26 pm

its dead because it is being copied, there is a website called "inthemix" or something like that and it's exactly the same as this website!
They even have a character called Deviant and ghetto kitty there

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Wed Feb 03, 2010 4:49 pm

fuck THAT!

must be my doppelganger.

i just go there to stir shit up tbh.

oh wait...

why am i here again?

DBoy · Post by **DBoy** » Wed Feb 03, 2010 4:53 pm

actually think some of the threads over last month have been of much better substance. Mayble less donk crap going round.

youthful_implants · Post by **youthful_implants** » Wed Feb 03, 2010 5:07 pm

DBoy wrote:actually think some of the threads over last month have been of much better substance. Mayble less donk crap going round.

yeah definitely!

spazz · Post by **spazz** » Wed Feb 03, 2010 5:21 pm

Agreed DBoy. Esp the 10 albums list.

DBoy · Post by **DBoy** » Wed Feb 03, 2010 5:40 pm

maybe we need a gimmick like this doopeldinga thing on facebook.

Right - its doopingdoodlinga week on Melbournebeats.
Everyone must find the sex toy they look the most like and change their profile pic...

Amick · Post by **Amick** » Wed Feb 03, 2010 5:43 pm

pfffft sex toy?

c'mon serial killers/sex offenders is more fun.

everyone knows what a fleshlight looks like!!!

almax · Post by **almax** » Wed Feb 03, 2010 5:56 pm

Post by **system** » Wed Feb 03, 2010 6:31 pm

almax wrote:its dead because it is being copied, there is a website called "inthemix" or something like that and it's exactly the same as this website!
They even have a character called Deviant and ghetto kitty there

can sort that out quick smart tbh.

:donk:

quiet roar · Post by **quiet roar** » Thu Feb 04, 2010 12:16 pm

Seperating the forums to blame, IMO.

Post by **system** » Thu Feb 04, 2010 12:19 pm

personally, i don't like stream of consciousness style forums.

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Thu Feb 04, 2010 12:46 pm

well tbh i dont like any other format but the pphb or whatever this forum is.

ITM - you cant even edit your posts it seems. or not posts before your last post etc.

WTF?

yenks · Post by **yenks** » Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:46 pm

nic its all ur fault.

mb died when u stopped posting all the time.

ur to blame tbh imo donk.

nic · Post by **nic** » Thu Feb 04, 2010 5:20 pm

we should ban ITM IMHO

used to like the monostream music/rubbish/lols all in one.

donk is dead as well afaik (unfortunately i havent made it to Wigan Pier yet)
however donk emotioncon is spreading to other forums which is great news and shows there is still some mileage left in donk (IMO)

in general im feeling like there is alot of funnie lurking is going on.

thanks for everyones input so far.

what happened to the mbc mixes thing? spose people do them anyway?
just nice to get people that arent djjjs putting togther compilations. (not necessarily rave music either)

obliveus · Post by **obliveus** » Thu Feb 04, 2010 6:26 pm

As my granny used to say,

"Just cuz it's dead dont mean it aint fun to kick it from time to time."

Better before the topic switch thang happened IMO

Good place to talk crap and D's always got quality stuff to say.

Plus, it's a great promotional tool for happy pants events.

Lizkins · Post by **Lizkins** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:54 am

hahaha its funny people mentioning the splitting of the forum. pack of whingers no matter what anyone did or said to improve the board, and now its gone all quiet on here

also banning caused a big divide, meh

quiet roar · Post by **quiet roar** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:55 pm

I blame the young'uns!

obliveus · Post by **obliveus** » Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:14 am

quiet roar wrote:I blame the young'uns!

Yeah, it's their fault. Problem solved.

Mods: Age requirement to stay on mb.com will bring all the action back. Over 28's only...like they have at Daisy's in Ringwood. Every thread can be about how great it used to be in the old days.

quiet roar · Post by **quiet roar** » Sat Feb 06, 2010 11:23 am

obliveus wrote:
quiet roar wrote:I blame the young'uns!
Yeah, it's their fault.

It's always their fault....

Unless old people are to blame.

mecka · Post by **mecka** » Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:43 pm

Forum is dead when 30 out of 3000 members are posting imo. Which has been going on for the better part of a year.

obliveus · Post by **obliveus** » Sat Feb 06, 2010 2:14 pm

mecka wrote:Forum is dead when 30 out of 3000 members are posting imo. Which has been going on for the better part of a year.

Blame the alias. I know I've got a few.

Idea:

Ban all users who haven't posted in 4 weeks. Let's just start a massive group ban...good for excitement. Like watching the witches burn back in the day. Word will spread to other forums that we're the place to be for bloodshed.

Start with Feigan, or as he's really known around town:

John Course

Blaxter · Post by **Blaxter** » Sun Feb 07, 2010 10:23 am

I've been overseas for 2 months which recently led to my lack of involvement (for better or worse).
But the decline had started before last November anyway.
It's easy to blame the bannings, but there was an 'insider group' type mentality that probably led to the bannings.
How do we include new or more people in discussions that may ruffle their feathers or squirrel fur?

Gliding High · Post by **Gliding High** » Sun Feb 07, 2010 10:24 pm

I don't really think the question is, 'is it dead?'
It's more like, 'when did it die, and why?'

So, if we are going to get forensic (looking for probable causes of death, etc) - I'd say the main reason that users have left in droves, and that this whole place became a virtual ghost town, is because of severe over-moderation.

Originally there was an attempt to get hired guns with little scene involvement or knowledge to try and jump on unruly or outspoken posters (who in my opinion add a great deal of colour to any forum board). It backfired dismally, and over a period of months the great majority of well known DJ's and scene notables vacated, permanently.
It's now near impossible to come on here and have a debate (of absolutely any kind) without some over-zealous mod with an itchy ban finger shutting you down or locking a thread for daring to have an opinion that even dares to conflict with them, or those they represent.

In turn, the whole forum has completely stalled, and is now a parody of what it once was.
The same dozen or so people every day, posting about the same sort of thing every day, with occasional ring-ins (like myself) who only post when they feel like giving someone a prod. lol.
(It sort of reminds me of MASH. It was really cool when Hawkeye and Trapper were the orginal wisecrackers - funny yet fair. Then they killed off Henry, got rid of Trapper, then silently sacked Frank, brought in Colonel Potter, and made Klinger a main character. It was never the same. But they kept on whipping that dead horse for years. Even Radar took off when he predicted the sad end like an incoming medical chopper)

You could make a difference though, as you are by no means tied down like the producers of MASH.

Some idea's to get it moving again and rejuvinate the whole thing: Sack most of the current mods, then get some new ones who like to play god a bit less (possibly who have played gigs outside the bedroom too), and maybe even cut out all the prolific 'lolcat' and in-joke culture that is rife here, and also makes any potential newbie feel wholly unwelcome. Promote debate, and try not to be so '1984' on anyone who dares to question.
Then maybe you could give this place some virtual CPR and get a pulse again? Who knows.

Whatever happens has no real bearing on my life. I haven't even played a gig in two years. But would be nice to see a healthy board again, attracting back some of the people that still work in the industry today, and who used to post on here (of which there were literally dozens) before MB's massive and unfortunate fall from grace.

ITM is just so commercialised and lame. I can't even look at it.
Would be good to have a quality dance music forum once again though, and I hope things sort themselves out.
I guess you have to evolve or die though, it's that simple.
Peace

Post by **system** » Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:22 am

well.

Gliding High wrote:unruly or outspoken posters (who in my opinion add a great deal of colour to any forum board).

while i agree with this,

Gliding High wrote:It's now near impossible to come on here and have a debate (of absolutely any kind) without some over-zealous mod with an itchy ban finger shutting you down or locking a thread for daring to have an opinion that even dares to conflict with them, or those they represent.

i don't know what to say about that other than "sour grapes yo".

times change and people change with them. all of this talk about "over-zealous" moderation is pretty crap - i know exactly how much moderation there's been and it really is nothing compared to any other internet bulletin board/forum i've ever used.

here's to some constructive discussion.

Post by **fooishbar** » Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:49 am

Gliding High wrote:Some idea's to get it moving again and rejuvinate the whole thing: Sack most of the current mods, then get some new ones who like to play god a bit less (possibly who have played gigs outside the bedroom too), and maybe even cut out all the prolific 'lolcat' and in-joke culture that is rife here, and also makes any potential newbie feel wholly unwelcome. Promote debate, and try not to be so '1984' on anyone who dares to question.

er, do you want to get rid of the alleged 'overmoderation' (as system said, there's remarkably little of it), or do you want to crack down on people posting lolcats and injokes? seems like the two are mutually exclusive ...

if anyone wants to start 'debate' or whatever on here then i'm all for it, but honestly, if you're concerned that the 'scene' isn't healthy, the best thing you can do is to make sure you're out at gigs. surely if the parties are thriving and healthy, then the internet scene will follow. i don't know that the reverse follows tho.

but what do i know, i'm just another jackboot mod.

Gliding High · Post by **Gliding High** » Mon Feb 08, 2010 6:44 am

fooishbar wrote:
but what do i know, i'm just another jackboot mod.

Pretty much. I agree with you fully.

The numbers speak for themselves.
This is no longer a fun or stimulating place to post - except for a select few.
Hence the reason why barely anyone does.
It needs a change, or it will just fade away.
Sad but true.

As for the whole 'mutually exclusive' thing. You can't tell me that posting on here hasn't become moronic to a greater degree. Any other sucessful forum that I get on has some type of original and healthy culture that somehow promotes what they do in some type of outgoing fashion, with some regard for newbies. The word 'success' is no longer a term I would use in regards to MB. And each and every serious or readable debate gets shut down or turns into a 'lolcat' fest before it gets off the ground.
This place runs like an exclusive oldboys club, and now, unfortunately, it has shit itself.

Am I wrong?

You're a sherrif in a ghostown buddy

Post by **fooishbar** » Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:02 am

web space is cheap, forum software is dead easy to set up. i'd in all honesty be absolutely thrilled if you set something up that happened to be better than here. i don't care what it's called or who's running it or lolcats (truth be told, 99% of lolcats give me the undying shits -- anyway, what happens if people post them on yours? do they get banned?), i just want a site that isn't shit.

prove me wrong, do better, whatever. or just sit here yammering into a text box instead of doing much anything productive; either way.

Gliding High · Post by **Gliding High** » Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:12 am

fooishbar wrote:web space is cheap, forum software is dead easy to set up. i'd in all honesty be absolutely thrilled if you set something up that happened to be better than here. i don't care what it's called or who's running it or lolcats (truth be told, 99% of lolcats give me the undying shits -- anyway, what happens if people post them on yours? do they get banned?), i just want a site that isn't shit.

prove me wrong, do better, whatever. or just sit here yammering into a text box instead of doing much anything productive; either way.

C'mon man, you can do better than that

The whole 'you do better' thing is a fallback tactic for someone who can't make the grade.
I don't want to run a generic forum template, I have never professed or offered to do so.
You're in that business, not me.
How about you make some sweeping changes around here? You're the man with the golden keyboard, and lightning in your LOL's. You're the official man at arms - the banmeister - the virtual locksmith.
I'm just a dude making a valid observation.

Post by **fooishbar** » Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:42 am

which changes do you think we should make?

Gliding High · Post by **Gliding High** » Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:43 am

See above.

Post by **fooishbar** » Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:47 am

so you want us to somehow change things so that there are no lolcats. how should we do that, exactly? and what happens if we ask someone to stop posting lolcats but they keep posting them?

how exactly do you propose we make things less cliquey and more friendly to newbies? (i'm not disagreeing with you that that would be wonderful.)

in short, have you got any actual concrete suggestions?

Gliding High · Post by **Gliding High** » Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:09 am

Yes. I do.

Tear the whole thing down, and restart it once again with a new outlook and new blood.
It's all so tired and done to death. Basically it is presently a completely unfavorable place to be.
But my main suggestion for you - and I mean this in no means personally, but completely for the good of the forum - would be to sack yourself. Take one for the team. Commit virtual Hari Kari. Step from this dismal digital life to the next with honour.
Look, that's just how I see it. To me, you are the engineer of much of of the disfunction in here. Your playing of god has caused a great many to leave.

Also, you could get some mods in here that totally lack any agenda, and can be Switzerland on any given debate or situation.
I really don't think you can do that, or ever have on any debate where your 'team' has been involved.

You asked.
It's my style to say it how it is.
I apologise for my frankness.

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:37 am

all im going to say is Ive felt ostracised enough to ask mods to delete my profile here a few times, but prevailed.

and definately changed the way i used to post to cause less 'beef' cos i hate feeling ganged up on.

and heard from a number of people who dont post here (and a lot of them lurk) how
1) its a clique where if you dont post here all the time, nobody pays you any notice &
2) you get slammed or just ignored for posting any new threads and or most things about music that dont revolve around a select few promoters/djs and genres.

i just keep posting here cos now i have 5-10 real friends to talk shit with while im waiting for emails to come in.

tbh, facebook has become the better forum and networking tool for me lately...i put my writing up there and people actually notice it, i meet randoms and it begins with positivity....you know...

we do need new blood. i dont have the answers though. maybe everyone should stop being so cunty?

almax · Post by **almax** » Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:53 am

Gliding High wrote:Yes. I do.

Tear the whole thing down, and restart it once again with a new outlook and new blood.
It's all so tired and done to death. Basically it is presently a completely unfavorable place to be.
But my main suggestion for you - and I mean this in no means personally, but completely for the good of the forum - would be to sack yourself. Take one for the team. Commit virtual Hari Kari. Step from this dismal digital life to the next with honour.
Look, that's just how I see it. To me, you are the engineer of much of of the disfunction in here. Your playing of god has caused a great many to leave.

Also, you could get some mods in here that totally lack any agenda, and can be Switzerland on any given debate or situation.
I really don't think you can do that, or ever have on any debate where your 'team' has been involved.

You asked.
It's my style to say it how it is.
I apologise for my frankness.

couldn't help myself, am i banned now?

Amick · Post by **Amick** » Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:07 am

ghetto kitty wrote:maybe everyone should stop being so cunty?

fuck off

Lizkins · Post by **Lizkins** » Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:24 am

hey what was that dudes name that came on here and everyone bagged him out straight away just cos of how he posted on ITM?

Gliding High · Post by **Gliding High** » Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:28 am

Nakedage

Everyone tried though, they did.
I still believe he was an alias trying to get a rise.

aroes · Post by **aroes** » Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:36 am

na mang

pretty sure he was just a goose

edit- this thread is well ghey

Lizkins · Post by **Lizkins** » Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:41 am

Gliding High wrote:Nakedage

Everyone tried though, they did.
I still believe he was an alias trying to get a rise.

ahhhh yeah thats right

nah i reckon some were pretty darn nasty and hostile from the get go. it was like watching a lamb to the slaughter

he was a bit of a nob, but i think he went that way cos of how he was being treated, but dunno for sure. only he would know aye

Lizkins · Post by **Lizkins** » Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:42 am

aroes wrote:na mang

pretty sure he was just a goose

edit- this thread is well ghey

nic'ss threads are never ghey. weird sometimes and maybe not at all understandable. i mean really, what the fuck does donk mean???? But not ghey

Post by **JAMESSSS** » Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:52 am

Does anyone actually moderate anything on here apart from disapproving spam posts?

youthful_implants · Post by **youthful_implants** » Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:09 am

rebranding is not a bad idea, even if its just a facelift.

maybe add some internet radio to get the word out? melbourne beats parties? competitions? giveaways that sort of thing. stickers!

insular community? yeah maybe a bit. I thought so at first, but I know people on here now that I didn't when I started posted and have made friends with a bit of perseverance / persistence.

I dont think over-zealous moderation is good, most of the other forums I inhabit don't do any whatsoever apart from to delete bots and they are healthy thriving communities. TBF when there are only a few people regularly posting the moderation is more obvious I suppose.

I like this forum, and there have been better debates more recently - there's plenty of clever people on here with lots to contribute but I think people are less inclined to when they're made fun of, not engaged with or ignored.

I get the impression, and correct me if I'm wrong, that a lot of the regular posters are oldskool Melbournites who have kind of been there and done that. Thats all good, and although from London, when it comes to clubbing and everything that goes with it - I have been there and done that.

Younger people posting with a bit more general optimism (maybe naivete) and enthusiasm would be a good thing.

Open it up to the Gen Y (do I bother?) and everything will start to shine like a teenagers peachy soft skin.

mecka · Post by **mecka** » Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:25 am

100% agree with the new blood needed thoughts. More promotion of the forum is needed as a whole whether or not its a sig on a post or a mention on other forums. I think the lack of this comes down to the fact that mb.c doesnt really have a public "face" like it did when lucas & karl were running it. Mods - whilst it is by no means part of their job description - should be taking greater steps to ensure an influx of new posters. Im aware that this is difficult for everybody but without it we will see the final death of this forum sooner rather than later.

mecka · Post by **mecka** » Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:28 am

Needs a newbies say hai thread stickied imo. First step away from the insular and more towards the welcoming.

youthful_implants · Post by **youthful_implants** » Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:32 am

[quote="mecka"]Needs a newbies say hai thread stickied imo. First step away from the insular and more towards the welcoming.[/quote]

yeah man!

is melbournebeats dead?