Explain that genre, with guests Wonky and FutureBeats

Post by **JAMESSSS** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 10:40 am

So what is "Wonky?"

DBoy · Post by **DBoy** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:00 am

And while we are at it - UK Funky and Future Beats.

Please post tracks.

deviant · Post by **deviant** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:14 am

UK funky is just house.... nothing new, just different crew of producers I guess

Post by **JAMESSSS** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:24 am

I thought it was like the room between your house and the garage?

nic · Post by **nic** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:39 am

fuck knows wot 'futurebeat' is lol.

wonky is teh disliked term used to describe hiphop tempo instrumental electronica stuff - for want of a better description.
Its basically a ghey name made up by amricans to describe hiphop imo.

id say these are 'archetypal wonky' staggering unquantized beats. (hudmo, mikeslott, rustie)
but there is loads of stuff that could be called 'wonky' - from Flying Lotus to Take to Jay Dee etc.
rave varities --> downtempo

Watch the posted video on YouTube.

uk funky is what saemo plays now. its house music with a percussive / garagey led broeken beat flavour imo - again a pretty broad spectrum of tunes get reffered to as being or having 'uk funky sensibilities' umbrella term for new house musics.

(not teh ghey banging 'flith lead bro, sick filteredddd sawtoof' electro house)

big funky percussive rave song

Watch the posted video on YouTube.

cut up samples, bruk drums.

Watch the posted video on YouTube.

restrained euphoria chords, swung beats.

Watch the posted video on YouTube.

darker funky

Watch the posted video on YouTube.

same o · Post by **same o** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:38 pm

nic wrote:uk funky is what saemo plays now.

Post by **JAMESSSS** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:43 pm

Why is that funny? Is it because you haven't had time to register www.myspace.com/sameo_funki?

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:47 pm

I got in trouble the other day for confusing Uk funky with funky house.

but I am getting a lot of demos lately described as 'future beat'
and then when I listen to them, i realise that they are in fact 'future' sounds, but each one leans towards the genre said Dj usually plays...

so ive got hip hop djs giving me future beats with lyric based songs
techno djs giving me future beats with 303/808 sounds etc etc

same o · Post by **same o** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:51 pm

JAMESSSS wrote:Why is that funny? Is it because you haven't had time to register http://www.myspace.com/sameo_funki?

although, i dont play it.. well apart from blackcat.

Post by **JAMESSSS** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:51 pm

Are you more likely to book them based on the futurism?

nic · Post by **nic** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:53 pm

but bo what exactly is it?
wots a future song? how is is future? kids lol

andy_hoffman · Post by **andy_hoffman** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:58 pm

thsi is future imo

Watch the posted video on YouTube.

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 1:02 pm

nic wrote:but bo what exactly is it?
wots a future song? how is is future? kids lol

Well im not a musician. But to me, its even more broken beat than anything before, there isnt a set bpm or a set 4/4 or anything, and its a mixture of sounds, so you can have all kinds of sounds in one track that make something happen, even more than before.

some of them i like instantly and they go on repeat. others, im done ten minutes in.

Post by **JAMESSSS** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 1:03 pm

Who are these music makers? Who are these dreamers of dreams?

nic · Post by **nic** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 1:04 pm

youtube plsss.
im scared of teh future.
when i turn 30
dead

nic · Post by **nic** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 1:11 pm

another good way to 'identify' future (i think i know what youre on about kittye) is too look out fo rth words and graphics contaiing 'neon' 'sparkling' 'laz0r' 'triangles/pyramids/sacred geometry' 'rainbow' 'psych' 'sun drenched'

now to find teh penultimate example of 'fguture'

Post by **JAMESSSS** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 1:13 pm

????

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 1:14 pm

well you guys can mock but there is a number of people playing and listening to this stuff now.

nic · Post by **nic** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 1:17 pm

not mocking at all, just trying to dissect. interested in wot it is tbh.

thats teh O.G pyramid/rainbow jbs.
daddy

Post by **JAMESSSS** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 1:17 pm

I'm not mocking!

I just want to know what it is, that's why I started this thread.

I would hate to be a future DJ without knowing!

nic · Post by **nic** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 1:18 pm

ahh also planets / stars / solar systems clumsiliy juxtaposed with white lines and erroneous shapes.

Post by **JAMESSSS** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 1:20 pm

Is this wonky?

Watch the posted video on YouTube.

nic · Post by **nic** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 1:25 pm

lol its future wonky imo due to the large amount of starburst synths?

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 1:26 pm

yup, id call that wonky. a bit too wonky for my liking. the appeal for me is definately half and half the sounds and arrangement, if i dont like the sound they are using then its kinda pointless, even if the beat is naice, yaknow?

Watch the posted video on YouTube.

one of my latest favorites in what I'd call 'future' choons. This guy makes me excited. I guess this is future dubstep, but Ive been slammed for incorrect genreising here before so ill just say - I LIKE THIS SHIT A LOT.

Post by **JAMESSSS** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 1:28 pm

I love the Nosaj, but can't stand Slugabed!

edit: Actually Kittens is OK.

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 1:36 pm

im getting demos, but I dont often know what artists are on them etc....

but Slugabed is tres awesome to me.

nic · Post by **nic** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 1:38 pm

kittens is big, but yeah i find lots of slugabeds stuff a bit abrasive, good really loud though.
i tend towards more straight beats (like on kittens)

did you listen to nosaj thing album jbs?
too much whoosy ambient sounds imo.

dunno what to class it tbf bo, genre nazis gtfo lol.
ravey futures whatever its called.

Post by **JAMESSSS** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 1:39 pm

Album lacks drive for me, but that remix is tight.

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 1:40 pm

getting to the point where genres are pointless now - thank fuck.

but i was all excited about 'future beats' till i got a demo from a techno dj - and it sucked. he was trying, but it just did not get there for me.

so yeh - more room for interpretation/fucking things up/doing something new and doing something boring.

nic · Post by **nic** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 1:55 pm

moar new future rave bangers *bit" more restrained than slugabed in that they have more housey/straight hiphop beats and simpler noises.

Watch the posted video on YouTube.

(its called neon beams lol)

Amick · Post by **Amick** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 2:01 pm

Watch the posted video on YouTube.

btw Kitteh knows.

SDF1 · Post by **SDF1** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 2:12 pm

Amick wrote:
Watch the posted video on YouTube.

IFMX man of the year 2009.
Plenty more tunes by mono here. Though many of them fall under the drone/ambient tip.

http://www.robotdj.net/?dj=mono-poly

I might be mistaken here, but my impression is that alot of the future tip seems to be the repackaging of warp style sounds to a crowd more open to abstract beats post dubstep explosion.

Also Om Unit is sick.

ShiKung · Post by **ShiKung** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 3:58 pm

Well I thought Wonky was something else entirely and something i had no interest in, but it turns out I've been playing it but I've thought of it as Glitch Hop.

I always thought of Future beats in relationship to Hip Hop being like relationship the abstract Jazz of Miles Davis/ John Coltrane had to its more commercial or swing form. I call it Electric Soul so the genre with "fututre" in it doesnt become redundant.

So yeah producers trying to push Hip Hop styled Sampled "Listening" music I'd call Electric Soul or Future Beats

And producers trying to do a similar thing but with "Dancefloor" music I'd call Glitch Hop or apparently Wonky.

I love Slugabed, Nosaj Thing, Mono/Poly, Dizz1, Bullion, Hudson Mo, Mike Slott and most of the other producers listed in this thread. Totally love that vibe right now.

Its so funny I didn't realize the name connection

Post by **fooishbar** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:08 pm

wonky is a bit of a weird one, got applied to a lot of zomby-ish dubstep with lots of colour and stuff (omg purple) and woozy, fucked percussion. then after the 19th 'is ketamine killing dubstep' thread on dubstepforum, it kind of petered out a little bit and got its own genre by co-opting glitch. so i guess they're more or less the same, but if there was a difference, i guess glitch would trend towards tearout sawteef breaks and wonky would tend towards fucked up stoner beats (dilla, flylo, etc)?

Post by **fooishbar** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:10 pm

funky's funny too, it started off with a much heavier grime influence and now a lot of it is just shit house. but some of it is fucking GREAT imo. the ruder tunes with steel drums and grimey synth leads get a

.

on paper, the eski house mix is fantastic and everything i hoped funky would be, but then i listened to it and thought it was a bit shit, so what do i know?

http://dot-alt.blogspot.com/2010/04/sla ... e-mix.html

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:11 pm

nic - that schlomo is boring to me, mnml with more pink floyd really!

i like the neon beams one though! really pretty sounds in there, but still ruff.

amick - that Dizz1 track is good, great sounds but its toooo sloooow for me....needs moar bpms

the bullion one is good, me likey. would sound amazing outdoors on a huge system - my marker for great music.
love the twippy sounds in there, and a nice comfy bassline to drive it all.

Gonjasufi - LOVE this. is this future hip hop then? really really like this stuff, its like Tricky should have been after pre millenium tension.

the mono/poly one makes me feel queasy and not good at all. dont like the sounds at all and they are all muddy and a little frightening!

and btw - what exactly do I know? I would like to know what I know for I often question of I know enough to even post in these music geek threads :notadj:

SDF1 - drone/ambient sounds like not my cuppa tea tbh heheh

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:13 pm

ShiKung wrote:Well I thought Wonky was something else entirely and something i had no interest in, but it turns out I've been playing it but I've thought of it as Glitch Hop.
Its so funny I didn't realize the name connection

Hence why perhaps it could be all kinds of awesome that we collectively ditch the genres and describe music on its own merits....

Post by **fooishbar** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:24 pm

ghetto kitty wrote:
ShiKung wrote:Well I thought Wonky was something else entirely and something i had no interest in, but it turns out I've been playing it but I've thought of it as Glitch Hop.
Its so funny I didn't realize the name connection
Hence why perhaps it could be all kinds of awesome that we collectively ditch the genres and describe music on its own merits....

yes! and then to make it easier, we can give the music broad labels to roughly describe ... ah, nevermind

nic · Post by **nic** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:31 pm

kitte can also see how you think that Shlomo tune is boring, but in the context of a mix or rave it sounds good. stripped back drums bass and chords, makes a good change from teh tearout sounds that tend to dominate, can be heavy without lead sawtoof - just sub and drums. the tempo and style makes it playble with hiphop and sluggish banging slowhouse music which leads to better rave time.

Post by **fooishbar** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:37 pm

WHAT DO YOU MEAN A RAVE WITHOUT SAWTOOTH

ShiKung · Post by **ShiKung** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:38 pm

yes i love ditching the labels, i have been trying to focus more on describing music my own way rather that having it fit in anywhere.

BUT...

You have describe music to people all the time. Its a natural phenom in music land. You cant play everyone 3 hours of music to describe "your sound" or even "the music i really like right now".

I like the way addittech lets you search for music, using key words. You dont even have to mention genres. I wish it all worked that way

nic · Post by **nic** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:40 pm

yeh nothing wrong with genre names tbh.
just when used by bad bad bad people in hamfisted ways to say 'this is and this isnt' gets tedious

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same o · Post by **same o** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:41 pm

im going to go on addictech and look for 'banging' tunes.

nic · Post by **nic** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:42 pm

1. Beatport
2. Search
3. 'Filth'

Your search returned 6,000,000 results.

edit beat me lkol

deviant · Post by **deviant** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:44 pm

nic · Post by **nic** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:45 pm

1. Bleep
2. Search
3. 'Intelligent Electronica'

Your search returned 3,569,001 results - would you like a complimentary naltrexone?

L-J · Post by **L-J** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:01 pm

fooishbar wrote:funky's funny too, it started off with a much heavier grime influence and now a lot of it is just shit house. but some of it is fucking GREAT imo. the ruder tunes with steel drums and grimey synth leads get a .

on paper, the eski house mix is fantastic and everything i hoped funky would be, but then i listened to it and thought it was a bit shit, so what do i know?

http://dot-alt.blogspot.com/2010/04/sla ... e-mix.html

Funky is pretty broad IMO. I dont think you will hear any of the dj's just play strictly funky tunes. They will all band tons of other house/garage etc etc. I think thats where the grey area is. But then i prefer alot of the tribal and latin house things rather than the grimey bits.

same o · Post by **same o** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:05 pm

L-J wrote:But then i prefer alot of the tribal and latin house things rather than the grimey bits.

gay

L-J · Post by **L-J** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:09 pm

Bend over slag

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:12 pm

ShiKung wrote:yes i love ditching the labels, i have been trying to focus more on describing music my own way rather that having it fit in anywhere.

BUT...

You have describe music to people all the time. Its a natural phenom in music land. You cant play everyone 3 hours of music to describe "your sound" or even "the music i really like right now".

I like the way addittech lets you search for music, using key words. You dont even have to mention genres. I wish it all worked that way

i know its tricky and we use generalisations all the time, not just in music, I guess I just think that the majority of people (as in, not music geeks) write stuff off due to a genre label that may or may not be relevant.

but i guess if they do that, we dont want to have discourse with them on the intricacies of music anyways huh?

so yeh, there is a place for genres, i hear you Foo, I just still hate pigeonholeing anyways....

:umwtfkitteh: