DJ Fresh "Future Jungle"
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If by "best tunes for years" you mean "lazily throwing together old samples to create disposable gash that's been done a million times before", then yes, I completely agree.
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i kinda like the beats. but the rest is a bit hmmm. would go off in the rave tho im sure.
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I love the switch ups. Here's another one. Not into this one as much.
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There are some nicer vibes on this one. I don't think it will herald the second coming of hardcore though.Cubist wrote:I love the switch ups. Here's another one. Not into this one as much.
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promising, but lost me at offensive mid range snarl
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me like. what tempo is that, 150bpm?
sounds like old skool hardcore with up to date production and that can only be a good thing.
sounds like old skool hardcore with up to date production and that can only be a good thing.
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the main sample from "arkanoid" is from "djs take control": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJr8-xZo40I#t=0h0m33syouthful_implants wrote:me like. what tempo is that, 150bpm?
sounds like old skool hardcore with up to date production and that can only be a good thing.
always glad to hear old tunes, but lazy production tbh.
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And it has also been used by Fresh years ago at varying speeds in Flashback and Miami Flashback.
Kinda feels a bit like get on the gear and drop samples from your a++ folder till your mate Big Kev looses his shit and says it's a gwarning inside the ride --> all rudebwoy mus big up.
Kinda feels a bit like get on the gear and drop samples from your a++ folder till your mate Big Kev looses his shit and says it's a gwarning inside the ride --> all rudebwoy mus big up.
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He also used a sample from one of those tracks in another one of his own tunes that was released only months ago. Lazy as fark.
EDIT: to clarify, Ice Cream uses the same sample used in Cylon (which was actually a pretty bangin tune)
EDIT: to clarify, Ice Cream uses the same sample used in Cylon (which was actually a pretty bangin tune)
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Well IMO dancefloor DnB has become a pretty hackneyed and well-rinsed formula in 2011 and Fresh is just trying to mix things up a bit.
I mean dropping the tempo, using old samples and harking back to a vibe (jungle) which has been very much lost is pretty risky if you ask me but someone like Fresh, who is a studio don IMO, has the skills to do it. The fact that these are coming on RAM which was never really a jungle label but always very DnB focused speaks volumes about where Andy's heads at right now as well.
I dont think the production is lazy in the slightest, its just a different approach. People use samples to breathe familiarity into music, which is why he's using ones which people will recognise. People will know its a Fresh tune. And its also blurring the boundaries between DnB, Dubstep and Breaks. Its just rave music at the end of the day and doesn't require intellectualisation despite my attempt to anyway haha.
This is close to what Skream has been on lately so I think there is a massive crossing over of scenes gwanen. A breath of fresh air tbh.
I mean dropping the tempo, using old samples and harking back to a vibe (jungle) which has been very much lost is pretty risky if you ask me but someone like Fresh, who is a studio don IMO, has the skills to do it. The fact that these are coming on RAM which was never really a jungle label but always very DnB focused speaks volumes about where Andy's heads at right now as well.
I dont think the production is lazy in the slightest, its just a different approach. People use samples to breathe familiarity into music, which is why he's using ones which people will recognise. People will know its a Fresh tune. And its also blurring the boundaries between DnB, Dubstep and Breaks. Its just rave music at the end of the day and doesn't require intellectualisation despite my attempt to anyway haha.
This is close to what Skream has been on lately so I think there is a massive crossing over of scenes gwanen. A breath of fresh air tbh.
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which i totally agree with.youthful_implants wrote:Well IMO dancefloor DnB has become a pretty hackneyed and well-rinsed formula in 2011 and Fresh is just trying to mix things up a bit.
a specious comment imo. ram was one of the bridges between 'jungle' and 'drum and bass' back in the period ~1992 - '97. you can't dismiss tunes like 'valley of the shadows', 'predator', 'sound control', '6 million ways to die', etc etc just because of the last 5 or so years of popularist tosh that have been released.youthful_implants wrote:The fact that these are coming on RAM which was never really a jungle label but always very DnB focused speaks volumes about where Andy's heads at right now as well.
if it actually promotes new and varied production, excellent. i think it'll just encourage a bunch of bad 'remixes' of classic tunes masquerading as 'new' music.youthful_implants wrote:I dont think the production is lazy in the slightest, its just a different approach. People use samples to breathe familiarity into music, which is why he's using ones which people will recognise. People will know its a Fresh tune. And its also blurring the boundaries between DnB, Dubstep and Breaks. Its just rave music. I am so bored of clinical, abstract music being played at raves. Kids love rave, doesn't matter how you dress it up. They don't like pseudo-intellectualised musical noodling, save that for your sofa innit.
This is close to what Skream has been on lately so I think there is a massive crossing over of scenes gwanen. A breath of fresh air tbh.
there's a line between "we are i.e." and "trip to trumpton".
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I really like these discussions, it's always interesting to see differences in views between someone who actually produces music for a living and people who just love music.
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I don't think anyone is doubting his production skills, I agree he IS a don in the studio. That's maybe why I think his use of these samples is lazy.youthful_implants wrote:Well IMO dancefloor DnB has become a pretty hackneyed and well-rinsed formula in 2011 and Fresh is just trying to mix things up a bit.
I mean dropping the tempo, using old samples and harking back to a vibe (jungle) which has been very much lost is pretty risky if you ask me but someone like Fresh, who is a studio don IMO, has the skills to do it. The fact that these are coming on RAM which was never really a jungle label but always very DnB focused speaks volumes about where Andy's heads at right now as well.
I dont think the production is lazy in the slightest, its just a different approach. People use samples to breathe familiarity into music, which is why he's using ones which people will recognise. People will know its a Fresh tune. And its also blurring the boundaries between DnB, Dubstep and Breaks. Its just rave music at the end of the day and doesn't require intellectualisation despite my attempt to anyway haha.
This is close to what Skream has been on lately so I think there is a massive crossing over of scenes gwanen. A breath of fresh air tbh.
I'd also like to point out that i'm old, cranky, and trying to quit smoking.
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IMO Ram personify the transition from Jungle to what became better known as DnB. Of course tunes like Valley of The Shadows etc got played (still get played) at every jungle rave going, but that doesn't really make em jungle music. RAM's musical identity from the get go has been firmly rooted in forward-thinking, science-fiction influenced concepts and sounds. Thats not really what Jungle means to me but I'd have to say its pretty open to interpretation.system wrote:which i totally agree with.youthful_implants wrote:Well IMO dancefloor DnB has become a pretty hackneyed and well-rinsed formula in 2011 and Fresh is just trying to mix things up a bit.a specious comment imo. ram was one of the bridges between 'jungle' and 'drum and bass' back in the period ~1992 - '97. you can't dismiss tunes like 'valley of the shadows', 'predator', 'sound control', '6 million ways to die', etc etc just because of the last 5 or so years of popularist tosh that have been released.youthful_implants wrote:The fact that these are coming on RAM which was never really a jungle label but always very DnB focused speaks volumes about where Andy's heads at right now as well.if it actually promotes new and varied production, excellent. i think it'll just encourage a bunch of bad 'remixes' of classic tunes masquerading as 'new' music.youthful_implants wrote:I dont think the production is lazy in the slightest, its just a different approach. People use samples to breathe familiarity into music, which is why he's using ones which people will recognise. People will know its a Fresh tune. And its also blurring the boundaries between DnB, Dubstep and Breaks. Its just rave music. I am so bored of clinical, abstract music being played at raves. Kids love rave, doesn't matter how you dress it up. They don't like pseudo-intellectualised musical noodling, save that for your sofa innit.
This is close to what Skream has been on lately so I think there is a massive crossing over of scenes gwanen. A breath of fresh air tbh.
there's a line between "we are i.e." and "trip to trumpton".
Definitely agree that everyone's threshold for what constitutes cheese is different. I'm not afraid of music which is cheesy at all, and you can't deny that it sells well. Its also attracts a broader audience. Magnetic Man being a good case in point. Hardcore was often cheesy back in the day and these tracks manage to combine a pretty healthy contrast of hands in the air energy and filthy bass and Fresh has been churning out some very anthemic and commercial-sounding music of late. Quite different to these in fact (heard Gold Dust?) and very different to the music he was making in 2000 say, which was strictly underground shiznit.
How commercial is this tune? Its pop music! (7 million views, KERCHING)
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very true. i have little in the way of pragmatism when it comes to music, but i've never made a living off it.JAMESSSS wrote:I really like these discussions, it's always interesting to see differences in views between someone who actually produces music for a living and people who just love music.
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fair enough. tbh i don't make any real distinction between them as genres - it's just a label that gets put on the time period or amount of ragga samples. ram is as much about jungle to me as kemet or reinforced.youthful_implants wrote:IMO Ram personify the transition from Jungle to what became better known as DnB. Of course tunes like Valley of The Shadows etc got played (still get played) at every jungle rave going, but that doesn't really make em jungle music. RAM's musical identity from the get go has been firmly rooted in forward-thinking, science-fiction influenced concepts and sounds. Thats not really what Jungle means to me but I'd have to say its pretty open to interpretation.
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well that makes two of us.system wrote:very true. i have little in the way of pragmatism when it comes to music, but i've never made a living off it.JAMESSSS wrote:I really like these discussions, it's always interesting to see differences in views between someone who actually produces music for a living and people who just love music.
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fair play.
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I remember listening to Bailey interview DJ Die about 5-6 years ago. Bailey said something like "I notice on your myspace you have that you write Jungle" and Die said something like "yeah".
Apparently Die and Fresh are going to be doing a 'Future Jungle' colab. I can't wait for that. Will be Funkeeeee!
Apparently Die and Fresh are going to be doing a 'Future Jungle' colab. I can't wait for that. Will be Funkeeeee!
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lolCubist wrote: "I notice on your myspace you have that you write Jungle" and Die said something like "yeah".
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If it was something like yeah, was it "yes"... or maybe "yep"?
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youthful_implants wrote:me like. what tempo is that, 150bpm?
sounds like old skool hardcore with up to date production and that can only be a good thing.
youthful_implants wrote:I dont get Boddika at all.. it sounds exactly like old skool warehouse rave did in the 1990's. (think Harthouse, or Rising High records)
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I see what you did there. Yeah maybe I just dont dig acid house as much as I used to.fooishbar wrote:youthful_implants wrote:me like. what tempo is that, 150bpm?
sounds like old skool hardcore with up to date production and that can only be a good thing.youthful_implants wrote:I dont get Boddika at all.. it sounds exactly like old skool warehouse rave did in the 1990's. (think Harthouse, or Rising High records)
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When I heard the intro to Circles I was about to call rape, but then the drop came and I was suitably impressedspiral wrote:
This IMO is an example of tastefuly re-jigging jungle for the modern masses
The Fresh stuff at the top of the page is utter bum
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Actual LOL!aroes wrote:The Fresh stuff at the top of the page is utter bum
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its like they took cirlcles and removed all the amens! horrible.
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Wonder what Bob James thinks of it??Cubist wrote:Eeew. Not at all into that Adam F defacement.
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Guessin it will be the same old loud over compressed grindfest that dnb has been overproducing for too long now. But if either of them can actually make a banging modern organic jungle sound without it sounding like chopped up dnb then i will be impressed.Cubist wrote:I remember listening to Bailey interview DJ Die about 5-6 years ago. Bailey said something like "I notice on your myspace you have that you write Jungle" and Die said something like "yeah".
Apparently Die and Fresh are going to be doing a 'Future Jungle' colab. I can't wait for that. Will be Funkeeeee!
Heres guessin theres a bass cannon remix on the LP
I have alot of respect for them as producers just the ideas and sound they aim for don't excite me much
Adam F is a whole other level
Anyway each to there own
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Heaps of sick tunes around atm! G Dub should never have stopped releasing on Propaganda.
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Trying to decide what something is generally ruins something... In regards to jungle... It's like when you study something at school, and by the time the you're done studying it, you hate it and never wanna hear about it again...
I think people on here need to start enjoying music they like instead of sapping any last possible bit of fun out of music other people like...
I think people on here need to start enjoying music they like instead of sapping any last possible bit of fun out of music other people like...
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no it isnt
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