Street Art

Direkt · Post by **Direkt** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:21 pm

nic wrote:People delineating between tags and graffiti are mislead, they are basically the same thing but with different purposes - one is laboured and deliberate in a single place the other is a quick gesture spread out over a large area.

Are you saying some ego-driven munt-head writing his 'tag' in texta is the equivalent of a thought-provoking, original and artistic piece that may convey a certain socio-political message? If so, I strongly disagree mate.

nic wrote: Tagging can be impressive in its spread and sheer volume. You cant say you aren't impressed in some respect by the huge number of tags put up by 70K etc around Melbourne and the trouble they have gone to to get them up in high and dangerous places.

"Impressive" is a pretty vague and subjective term IMO. In this regard, even if you don't rate what 70K do (I.e. no artistic merit - just general bombardment and risk taking) you can still find it impressive - sure. But that's hardly my focus - if that's what you look for and rate, then cool - more power to you.

What I find impressive is artistic ability, flair and originality (Eg. I love Reka's stuff - different shapes and colours forming cool pic's and scenes). Or something that conveys a message and/or provokes thought.

Each to his own I guess.

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:28 pm

reka also does beautiful tags, almost calligraphy.

and fu's tags are great as well.

Direkt · Post by **Direkt** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:36 pm

Okay... I know a tag refers to throwing up your tag name... (doesn't it?)

But am I completely on my own in saying that there's a big difference between the tags/pieces that are a quick scrawl of a name with a black marker (58 billion times per square meter) - and something a little bit more artistic, where some thought and care have been taken?

Pls excuse me if my terminology ain't bang on - I is outsider looking in.

nic · Post by **nic** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:38 pm

Are you saying some ego-driven munt-head writing his 'tag' in texta is the equivalent of a thought-provoking, original and artistic piece that may convey a certain socio-political message? If so, I strongly disagree mate.

lol no im not saying its thought provoking, and im definately not saying it contains a socio-political message but I am saying I like it, and its the pretty much the same as graffiti to me.

....I was mostly pointing out is: all these cunts (thats no one here btw :teef)'down with teh street' like to have it both ways and hate on tags but worship stupid overbearing pink clouds with cutesy flying bears dripping paint. Just because its a tag doenst make it shit and just coz its a 'piece' doenst mean its good and shouldn't be 'capped'

If i was into 'cappin' id be going out tonight and eliminating all the stupid pink and baby blue clouds and 'interesting' animals around the city.

Also whats the problem with ego would that not be.... a.k.a pride? (even if it is in writing BOONGA 2007 4 EVA on a allready dirty dirty dirty tramstop?)

This cool argument is going round in circles however. Im not even sure what im meant to be arguing about ?

Post by **lynt** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:40 pm

Direktor wrote:Okay... I know a tag refers to throwing up your tag name... (doesn't it?)

But am I completely on my own in saying that there's a big difference between the tags/pieces that are a quick scrawl of a name with a black marker (58 billion times per square meter) - and something a little bit more artistic, where some thought and care have been taken?

Pls excuse me if my terminology ain't bang on - I is outsider looking in.

Tagging a name 58 billion times per square meter is considered "art" to some.

Everyone claim "each to their own" or this debate will never ever ever ever ever die!

Direkt · Post by **Direkt** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:42 pm

Big difference between pride and ego in my book... but yeah, this ain't going nowhere.

nic · Post by **nic** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:43 pm

Spot on Lynt

Such is Life
Each to their own
IMHO
Let me show you
Can has
etc

Direkt · Post by **Direkt** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:45 pm

lynt wrote: Tagging a name 58 billion times per square meter is considered "art" to some.

And so's laying a shit in the street.

Just goes to show - as you said, each to his own.

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:45 pm

agree lynt.

this argument has been gonig since the first aborigional did a hand stencil in a cave and the dude next to him said, "mine is better"

enough already!

but nic >>

nic wrote: If i was into 'cappin' id be going out tonight and eliminating all the stupid pink and baby blue clouds and 'interesting' animals around the city.

why the FUCK would you do that man?

nic · Post by **nic** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:47 pm

err because i don't like interesting animals?

each to their own, each to their own

phew lucky im not a capper

Direkt · Post by **Direkt** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:48 pm

What about Warwick?

nic · Post by **nic** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:49 pm

lol he needs another kind of capping

Direkt · Post by **Direkt** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:50 pm

Gold.

C.I.A. · Post by **C.I.A.** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:56 pm

Direkt · Post by **Direkt** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:00 pm

Hasn't his "porno" just come out ('scuse the pun)?

Disgracefully true.

Charlie73 · Post by **Charlie73** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:50 pm

i htought tagging was a way that young and new graf artists cut their teeth with getting a feel for the can, the walls etc etc? and then they upgrade to more when they learn more??? Or am i wrong?

Anyhoo, if i could draw/paint/be creative i would be first and formost a Tattoo artist then look at Graf as well...

hell do both....

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:55 pm

Charlie73 wrote:i htought tagging was a way that young and new graf artists cut their teeth with getting a feel for the can, the walls etc etc? and then they upgrade to more when they learn more??? Or am i wrong?

they often do that yes.
but often they shouldnt.
there is black books (like art books) for perfecting your style before you hit up the walls of our streets IMO.

but 'capping' great art with your shit tag is not coool, if youve been doin it twenty years or its your first tag.

just my opinion.

oh, and i dont think youd see a phibs or a reak tag over a great piece of art, but you might see em on bins, and bits of wall merely as an
" i was here' statement...

unsoundbwoy · Post by **unsoundbwoy** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:47 am

been missioning about gent, belgium, the last few weeks taking photos of the local graf. a selection of 90 can be found on my face book in two galleries here and here
or all of them in my myspace picture gallery here

Baby Ruth · Post by **Baby Ruth** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:41 pm

Banksy in The Age
http://www.theage.com.au/photogallery/2 ... 48364.html

LÃ³s Kasinoâ€” · Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:09 pm

Ellis Gee - Shadow graf artist.. hot stuff!

http://current.com/watch/2850289

Post by **breaksRbest** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:22 pm

LÃ³s Kasinoâ€” wrote:Ellis Gee - Shadow graf artist.. hot stuff!

http://current.com/watch/2850289

Stray · Post by **Stray** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:41 pm

Sustain · Post by **Sustain** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:51 am

~Graff on Front Page of Aust Fin Review~

I'd be pretty happy if i had my "nasty scrawl" on the front of that paper.
Apparently they're planning on banning the sale of aerosol paint in NSW.
Can't get a free web link to the article but this is funny...

FinReview low-down on graff wrote: ...To those who put it there, graffiti can mean many things, from a territorial expression to providing other gang members information on where the next drug deal is going down

LMAO... think the kids are using the ol' sms these days

Sustain · Post by **Sustain** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:57 am

FinReview wrote:The only other place where the sale of spray paint cans is completely banned is Chicago in the United States, and it has experienced a surge in other types of graffiti, like acid glass etching, which costs much more to remove

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:28 pm

Sustain wrote:
FinReview low-down on graff wrote: ...To those who put it there, graffiti can mean many things, from a territorial expression to providing other gang members information on where the next drug deal is going down
LMAO... think the kids are using the ol' sms these days

BWAHAHAHHAHAH

jeebus christ.

yeh, go on, ban paint.
give the disillusioned youth less artistic tools to express themselves,
but hey, they can still buy shit to blow things up cant they?

and in the US, they ban paint but hey, go get a handgun instead!

great logic.

nic · Post by **nic** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:19 pm

What do peopel think about tagging?

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:27 pm

i tag you > your IT!

FAIL.

nic · Post by **nic** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:38 pm

lol
no result

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:12 pm

hey guys...

come down and support a GREAT event!
sketch city began in manchester and has been HUGE over there, recently aryse (my bestie rachel) spent time there and got approval for the guys to make it happen in Aus, and this is the first one we are doing.

all art materials provided, paint, markers, boards, tunes as well.
come down, drink a beer or five, bring your sketch book, and ideas or just come down and see some great art and collaborations in action!

more of these events to come too!!

Post by **breaksRbest** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:43 pm

that looks awesome, I think I'll go

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:58 pm

yeah brb

will be dope...

can run from groovediggerz through back alley to jeromes etc

probably gonig to auction the art off too > cheapo!

DBoy · Post by **DBoy** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:17 pm

Itch is the most amazing fuking artist. The skateboards he did last year blew me away. His style is fluid and his characters are attitude ++.

Nice Kitty, Sketch City, missing it would be a pity.

gnat · Post by **gnat** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:07 pm

i'm after a biiiig piece for lounge wall

i like rone but hard to get

got given a a dirtfish piece for my b'day. it's mad

http://www.dirtfish.net/index.php?optio ... 0&vmcchk=1

Post by **breaksRbest** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:20 pm

gnat wrote:i'm after a biiiig piece for lounge wall

i like rone but hard to get

he offered to do a massive 2m x 2m piece (of the piece in my avatar), but then I went broke and lost his contact details

I'd give my left arm for it though

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:26 pm

DBoy wrote:Itch is the most amazing fuking artist. The skateboards he did last year blew me away. His style is fluid and his characters are attitude ++.

Nice Kitty, Sketch City, missing it would be a pity.

yeah, i havetn seen much of his stuff, freehand and all so it will be great!

and drew is the guy doing the poster for bass high session distance gig,
i like his styles too!

i think this event is actually gonna be huge, bigger tyhan we thought.
crews bringing crews etc etc, man i love the grapevine and the graff scene, best way to promote ever.

gnat > rone is long gone from stencils/melbs i think. move on lady, plenty of other amazin artists out there doing good shit!

gnat · Post by **gnat** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:34 pm

you just keep posting up deets kitty kat and i'll check em out

still have to hit that place you told about on smith st..

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:46 pm

babe, go in there NOW!!!

hogans gallery just up from the corner of johnston st and smith.
the owner does cheap framing and is a great eccentric dude.

everfresh studio (meggs, deb, phibs, sync, reka, used to be rone too but no longer) have a show on right now that is rotating artworks, from big to tiny.

MAD SHIT.

youve been told hehehe

gnat · Post by **gnat** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:49 pm

i'll go on friday lady!

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:51 pm

nice one lady, you will find something fo sho!

also i have to plug that hogans is one of the only galleries that regualrly support street art shows along with per square metre...

AND he has just got a lisence to be a bar too, so its now gallery AND bar.

go and support someone who supports the artists and buy a drink while your checking out the mad styles.

(end plug)

gnat · Post by **gnat** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:54 pm

ADD_Boy · Post by **ADD_Boy** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:57 pm

ghetto kitty wrote:everfresh studio (meggs, deb, phibs, sync, reka, used to be rone too but no longer) have a show on right now that is rotating artworks, from big to tiny.

When and where GK?

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:02 pm

ghetto kitty wrote: hogans gallery just up from the corner of johnston st and smith.
the owner does cheap framing and is a great eccentric dude.

go go go luke!!!

ADD_Boy · Post by **ADD_Boy** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:27 pm

ooh! Nice one! Thanks GK

I is going!! Need art for my new house!!

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:36 pm

the reka stuff is my favorite.

that man has such style. such wit and colour.

BU reka!!!! (and hes luverly too)

gnat · Post by **gnat** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:33 pm

http://www.theage.com.au/news/entertain ... 49775.html

fight to protect banksy's little diver stencil in melbs

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:50 pm

i have jsut had a two hour 'discussion' well call it with members of council in our back laneway.

our legal mural is being hit sometimes and council wants us to spend more and more to preserve it, change it, but wont assist much.

we talked about this banksy stencil, and others that have been accidentally buffed by council in the past.

i am donig all i can to be middle man between street art ethics and legal regulations...

but fucking hell its HARD WORK.

(kitty dancing on the line but not crossing it)

DBoy · Post by **DBoy** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:09 pm

THat article about the Banksy piece is on page 5 of The Age and the Sydney Morning Hearld!!

Anyone have any idea when he was last here?
(and who is PR company may be... ?

)

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:13 pm

DBoy wrote:THat article about the Banksy piece is on page 5 of The Age and the Sydney Morning Hearld!!

Anyone have any idea when he was last here?
(and who is PR company may be... ? )

he was last here YEARS ago, from my knowledge.
he doesnt have PR company hehehehehe

his last book said in it, 'do what you want with these prints, reproduce, sell em, paint the town red'

or something along those lines.

legend.

DBoy · Post by **DBoy** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:14 pm

He does have a PR company, just can't find out who it is.

He must have some contacts in Melbourne if he was out here too. Wonder if he would like some plane tickets...

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:17 pm

i prolly know who he hung out with last time...

i could tell em plane tickets to get some more info perhaps....