this has answers, everyone should watch this video, it will take 2 hours out of your day but hopefully you will thank me afterwards, please pass this to as many people as you can. Amazing video
ZEITGEIST, the movie
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 2995115331
Im serial, watch the damn movie!
ZEITGEIST
Zeitgeist was created as a non-profit filmiac expression to inspire people to start looking at the world
from a more critical perspective and to understand that very often things are not what the
population at large think they are. The information in Zeitgeist was established over a year long period
of research and the current Source page on this site lists the basic sources used / referenced.
Soon, an Interactive Transcript will be online with detailed footnotes and links so exact sources
and further research can be relayed.
Now, it's important to point out that there is a tendency to simply disbelieve things that are
counter to our understanding, without the necessary research performed.
For example, some information contained in Part 1 and Part 3, specifically, is not obtained
by simple keyword searches on the Internet. You have to dig deeper. For instance,
very often people who look up "Horus" or "The Federal Reserve" on the Internet
draw their conclusions from very general or biased sources. Online encyclopedias or text book
Encyclopedias often do not contain the information contained in Zeitgeist. However, if one takes
the time to read the sources provided, they will find that what is being presented is
based on documented evidence. Any corrections, clarifications & further points regarding the film
are found on the Clarifications page.
That being said, It is my hope that people will not take what is said
in the film as the truth, but find out for themselves, for truth is not told, it is realized.
from a more critical perspective and to understand that very often things are not what the
population at large think they are. The information in Zeitgeist was established over a year long period
of research and the current Source page on this site lists the basic sources used / referenced.
Soon, an Interactive Transcript will be online with detailed footnotes and links so exact sources
and further research can be relayed.
Now, it's important to point out that there is a tendency to simply disbelieve things that are
counter to our understanding, without the necessary research performed.
For example, some information contained in Part 1 and Part 3, specifically, is not obtained
by simple keyword searches on the Internet. You have to dig deeper. For instance,
very often people who look up "Horus" or "The Federal Reserve" on the Internet
draw their conclusions from very general or biased sources. Online encyclopedias or text book
Encyclopedias often do not contain the information contained in Zeitgeist. However, if one takes
the time to read the sources provided, they will find that what is being presented is
based on documented evidence. Any corrections, clarifications & further points regarding the film
are found on the Clarifications page.
That being said, It is my hope that people will not take what is said
in the film as the truth, but find out for themselves, for truth is not told, it is realized.
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http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/negri/
also, for those of you who don't mind academic writing, I highly reccomend EMPIRE by Hardt and Negri.
Essentially they discuss the coming about and political order of "globalisation"
Interesting stuff.
the link above the cover takes you to FREE PDF downloads.
who said communism doesn't work!!!!
also, for those of you who don't mind academic writing, I highly reccomend EMPIRE by Hardt and Negri.
Essentially they discuss the coming about and political order of "globalisation"
Interesting stuff.
the link above the cover takes you to FREE PDF downloads.
who said communism doesn't work!!!!
Zeitgeist is originally a German expression that means "the spirit of the age", literally translated as "time (Zeit) spirit (Geist)". It describes the intellectual and cultural climate of an era. In German, the word has more layers of meaning than the English translation, including the fact that Zeitgeist can only be observed for past events.
Interesting stuff. Movie stopped for me with 5 mins to go. Annoying.
There is book which I have long promoted called "The Age of Consent" by George Monbiot. Talks of the World Government as well, except hisw theory is alternate to this and talks about the rise of a mass revolution which will install a Demoncratic World government which would over impose on the current controlling interests.
Very very interesting book.
There is book which I have long promoted called "The Age of Consent" by George Monbiot. Talks of the World Government as well, except hisw theory is alternate to this and talks about the rise of a mass revolution which will install a Demoncratic World government which would over impose on the current controlling interests.
Very very interesting book.
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Excellent movie, well made.
Good message.
In terms of the global government, it will never come to pass, and hopefully the remnants of global warming will force people to re conceive our relationship with the planet.
We are OF the earth.
We don't just live ON it; the planet controls our life, we cannot ever fully control the planet's life.
If you think about the RADICAL and SPEEDY expedition of "empire" this film is discussing. We are only talking about 250 years, maximum, from the Industrial revolution (england, europe 1750) until now.
Think about the time frame, now everything is moving so fast that it is TOO fast for the Empire, we can see cultures and revolutions MANIFESTING THEMSELVES in only one generational life form.
It is impossible for the total anarchy the film's producers are envisaging, because the contradictions are becoming too well known.... and are REPEATING themselves in too short a time frame.
Something has got to give.
Good message.
In terms of the global government, it will never come to pass, and hopefully the remnants of global warming will force people to re conceive our relationship with the planet.
We are OF the earth.
We don't just live ON it; the planet controls our life, we cannot ever fully control the planet's life.
If you think about the RADICAL and SPEEDY expedition of "empire" this film is discussing. We are only talking about 250 years, maximum, from the Industrial revolution (england, europe 1750) until now.
Think about the time frame, now everything is moving so fast that it is TOO fast for the Empire, we can see cultures and revolutions MANIFESTING THEMSELVES in only one generational life form.
It is impossible for the total anarchy the film's producers are envisaging, because the contradictions are becoming too well known.... and are REPEATING themselves in too short a time frame.
Something has got to give.
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in line with that Dboy isDBoy wrote:Interesting stuff. Movie stopped for me with 5 mins to go. Annoying.
There is book which I have long promoted called "The Age of Consent" by George Monbiot. Talks of the World Government as well, except hisw theory is alternate to this and talks about the rise of a mass revolution which will install a Demoncratic World government which would over impose on the current controlling interests.
Very very interesting book.
Michael Hardt and Antonio Negris "Multitude"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multitude: ... _of_Empire
Multitude is FAR more easy to read than empire, Empire is essentially a more in depth and academic account of global Zeitgeist; or how the manipulations of order are manifesting themselves for their own ends (like Zeitgeist shows.)
Thanks for the reccomendation, a most interesting movie, very well made.
The Egyptoligan quote is going to form the intro quote to one of my chapters.
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GEORGE BUSH SENIOR IS THE MASTERMIND BEHIND SEPTEMBER 11th. It was revenge against Afganistan / Iraq for old Oil rip-offs / deals.
I'm convinced of this. Oil was the reason for the first Gulf War too.
And when they talk about "they" the "ruling elite" - its the Skull & Bones - the most deadliest organisation in the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_Bones
of which George Bush senior was a member...
I'm convinced of this. Oil was the reason for the first Gulf War too.
And when they talk about "they" the "ruling elite" - its the Skull & Bones - the most deadliest organisation in the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_Bones
of which George Bush senior was a member...
I instantly cease to give any credence to what you say when you use the words 'most deadliest'.Lós Kasino— wrote:GEORGE BUSH SENIOR IS THE MASTERMIND BEHIND SEPTEMBER 11th. It was revenge against Afganistan / Iraq for old Oil rip-offs / deals.
I'm convinced of this. Oil was the reason for the first Gulf War too.
And when they talk about "they" the "ruling elite" - its the Skull & Bones - the most deadliest organisation in the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_Bones
of which George Bush senior was a member...
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ahhhh "deadliest" same thing....Will wrote:I instantly cease to give any credence to what you say when you use the words 'most deadliest'.Lós Kasino— wrote:GEORGE BUSH SENIOR IS THE MASTERMIND BEHIND SEPTEMBER 11th. It was revenge against Afganistan / Iraq for old Oil rip-offs / deals.
I'm convinced of this. Oil was the reason for the first Gulf War too.
And when they talk about "they" the "ruling elite" - its the Skull & Bones - the most deadliest organisation in the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_Bones
of which George Bush senior was a member...
have you checked the list of members... freaky shit.. all into Oil, Banking, CIA, US Government, ARTIFICIAL INSEMINATION!!!
Really enjoyed watching this. Think I've seen segments before, the religious bits at the start seemed familiar.
The phone call from the dude in the WTC gave me shivers, when he was saying that his wife thought he was safe but he was still inside, then the tower collapses and you hear him screaming...fucking heartbreaking stuff
The phone call from the dude in the WTC gave me shivers, when he was saying that his wife thought he was safe but he was still inside, then the tower collapses and you hear him screaming...fucking heartbreaking stuff
Only the meek get pinched...the bold survive
Lós Kasino— wrote:ahhhh "deadliest" same thing....Will wrote:I instantly cease to give any credence to what you say when you use the words 'most deadliest'.Lós Kasino— wrote:GEORGE BUSH SENIOR IS THE MASTERMIND BEHIND SEPTEMBER 11th. It was revenge against Afganistan / Iraq for old Oil rip-offs / deals.
I'm convinced of this. Oil was the reason for the first Gulf War too.
And when they talk about "they" the "ruling elite" - its the Skull & Bones - the most deadliest organisation in the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_Bones
of which George Bush senior was a member...
have you checked the list of members... freaky shit.. all into Oil, Banking, CIA, US Government, ARTIFICIAL INSEMINATION!!!
Did you watch the movie this thread is about?
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ahuh all 118 minutes. why you ask ?DBoy wrote:Lós Kasino— wrote:ahhhh "deadliest" same thing....Will wrote: I instantly cease to give any credence to what you say when you use the words 'most deadliest'.
have you checked the list of members... freaky shit.. all into Oil, Banking, CIA, US Government, ARTIFICIAL INSEMINATION!!!
Did you watch the movie this thread is about?
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first part was well done
parts two and three massacre the first part.
Having said all that, I don't think the general thrust of Zeitgeist was complete accuracy; the website has some spiel about truth being learned, which is an easy out for the film makers.
I think the main idea was to rethink the way in which information is given to us.
No one can be fucked reading Foucault, Chomsky or Hardt/Negri nowadays
parts two and three massacre the first part.
Having said all that, I don't think the general thrust of Zeitgeist was complete accuracy; the website has some spiel about truth being learned, which is an easy out for the film makers.
I think the main idea was to rethink the way in which information is given to us.
No one can be fucked reading Foucault, Chomsky or Hardt/Negri nowadays
Why? i thought part two hit the nail on the head. Some interesting points were raised...SoulWhiteMan wrote:first part was well done
parts two and three massacre the first part.
1. The collapse of towers as they did, especially tower 7, which was not hit by ANYTHING
2. The fact that 4 of the named highjackers are still alive!
3. The fact that they identified one of the highjackers by his passport which was found which seemingly survived a fire intense enough to bring down a building
4.In the Pentagon crash, no remains of an aeroplane were found, it was "disintergrated" in the intense heat, the engines weighing about 6 tonnes, were not found, YET they identified bodies of the highjackers from their FINGERPRINTS!
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almax
check this site out, it rips the film "loose change" to shreds.
http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/
and talks about pancake theory, and all the other stuff that essentially gets glossed over from the conspiracy theorists.
two things that shit me more than anything about 9/11 conspiracy theorists:
1) Dylan Avery (Loose change "director") is a lying little turd who keeps perpetuating bullshit and has sold 100,000 DVDs at 24.95 us.
2)9/11 conspiracy theories reinforce the power of the state. Religious fanatics, funded by bin laden, pull off a nasty attack on the USA and by a fluke, get away with it. Thats enough of a conspiracy!
But no. It couldn't be. The big baddy USA is behind it all.
What that is essentially saying is, we need the big baddy USA to protect us, because we can't fathom thinking that the global state of war has been bought to our doorstep. O noes, someone else, the USA themselves, must have been behind it.
It also undermines the fact that YES!!!!! the USA has benefited from it!!!!!! BUT THAT IS NOT ENOUGH TO SHOW CAUSATION.
Their energy would be better spent examining and explaining the ways the USA has twisted this for their own ends, rather than stitching together footage and making a mockery of those who died, in the search for "truth"
Dylan Avery can fuck off!!!!!!
check this site out, it rips the film "loose change" to shreds.
http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/
and talks about pancake theory, and all the other stuff that essentially gets glossed over from the conspiracy theorists.
two things that shit me more than anything about 9/11 conspiracy theorists:
1) Dylan Avery (Loose change "director") is a lying little turd who keeps perpetuating bullshit and has sold 100,000 DVDs at 24.95 us.
2)9/11 conspiracy theories reinforce the power of the state. Religious fanatics, funded by bin laden, pull off a nasty attack on the USA and by a fluke, get away with it. Thats enough of a conspiracy!
But no. It couldn't be. The big baddy USA is behind it all.
What that is essentially saying is, we need the big baddy USA to protect us, because we can't fathom thinking that the global state of war has been bought to our doorstep. O noes, someone else, the USA themselves, must have been behind it.
It also undermines the fact that YES!!!!! the USA has benefited from it!!!!!! BUT THAT IS NOT ENOUGH TO SHOW CAUSATION.
Their energy would be better spent examining and explaining the ways the USA has twisted this for their own ends, rather than stitching together footage and making a mockery of those who died, in the search for "truth"
Dylan Avery can fuck off!!!!!!
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it's for the above reasons Zeitgeist let it self down.
Part one was intriguing, then it went nuts with CTs,
but, credit to them, they need to awaken a lot of sheeples.
However, Al, my point is, you can do JUST THAT, without resorting to the tactics that some of these film makers do.
The reason I included the loose change debunking site is because a lot of the stuff about the twin towers and wtc7 was copied from it.
SWM
Part one was intriguing, then it went nuts with CTs,
but, credit to them, they need to awaken a lot of sheeples.
However, Al, my point is, you can do JUST THAT, without resorting to the tactics that some of these film makers do.
The reason I included the loose change debunking site is because a lot of the stuff about the twin towers and wtc7 was copied from it.
SWM
I don't subscribe to that shit. You don't gloss over bullshit with even more bullshit. We're not going to get anywhere like that. Same excuse most people give nut jobs and bullshit unfounded theories that they have invested their little hearts in before the are debunked. "we'll at least it's opening up peoples minds, man". No it's not, you're just feeding them a differnt kind of lies. A black sheep is still a fucking sheep.SoulWhiteMan wrote:
Part one was intriguing, then it went nuts with CTs,
but, credit to them, they need to awaken a lot of sheeples.
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Zeitgeist was an eye opener. I'm definitely not of the tinfoil hat crew, but some of these things are difficult to ignore.
Regarding 9/11, I saw this recently:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7SwOT29gbc
BBC reported the collapse of WTC7 20 minutes before it happened. I don't know what this means, but its very strange. When they cross to the reporter live in New York, you can see WTC7 in the distance, while she is explaining it has collapsed.
I did some reading after seeing it. Lots of people are demanding a proper explanation from BBC, but the station isn't really giving one.
A representative explained that the report was 'speculative', ie. it was saying that 'according to our information', WTC is looking as though it will probably collapse. But if you watch the report, the events are clearly reported in past tense, with specific details about the collapse, and why it happened (weakened from the attacks on the twin towers)
WTF??
BBC also say they have lost the tapes of that particular report, so cannot verify it. This is irrelevant because its available all over the net...
I'm more than convinced that we don't know the whole story with 9/11. Not saying it was specifically an inside job or whatever, just that there is definitely something being hidden.
Regarding 9/11, I saw this recently:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7SwOT29gbc
BBC reported the collapse of WTC7 20 minutes before it happened. I don't know what this means, but its very strange. When they cross to the reporter live in New York, you can see WTC7 in the distance, while she is explaining it has collapsed.
I did some reading after seeing it. Lots of people are demanding a proper explanation from BBC, but the station isn't really giving one.
A representative explained that the report was 'speculative', ie. it was saying that 'according to our information', WTC is looking as though it will probably collapse. But if you watch the report, the events are clearly reported in past tense, with specific details about the collapse, and why it happened (weakened from the attacks on the twin towers)
WTF??
BBC also say they have lost the tapes of that particular report, so cannot verify it. This is irrelevant because its available all over the net...
I'm more than convinced that we don't know the whole story with 9/11. Not saying it was specifically an inside job or whatever, just that there is definitely something being hidden.
That is a silly concept. They may have been using a blue screen from someone elses broadcast and got the image wrong. Even if someone knew 7 was going to come down that knowledge would not extend to some reporter on site for a UK news report.
I have heard so many conflicting reports about the 9/11 stuff it is impossible to know the 'truth'. People can basically make up anything and provide enough "evidence" to put their point forward. It would be the biggests hoax of all time if no plane flew into the Pentagon, no wonder it is hard to get our heads around. I have no idea what to believe, because so many of the movies we see are so compelling, then there are also accounts of people who say they were standing at the petrol station and saw the plane coming in over head. (can't find them, but I have seen those too).
The 9/11 agruement is one that we should be careful about because a lot of poeple suffered there. I think Zeitgeist should be taken with a grain of salt. The important thing to know is the world we live in, the thirst for knowledge is a good one, we should always want to understand our surroundings better. Unless we unbind the shackles of guilt that the inequatable state of the world brings to us we will never reach the possiblity of a metaphysical change in our evolution. Or something.
I have heard so many conflicting reports about the 9/11 stuff it is impossible to know the 'truth'. People can basically make up anything and provide enough "evidence" to put their point forward. It would be the biggests hoax of all time if no plane flew into the Pentagon, no wonder it is hard to get our heads around. I have no idea what to believe, because so many of the movies we see are so compelling, then there are also accounts of people who say they were standing at the petrol station and saw the plane coming in over head. (can't find them, but I have seen those too).
The 9/11 agruement is one that we should be careful about because a lot of poeple suffered there. I think Zeitgeist should be taken with a grain of salt. The important thing to know is the world we live in, the thirst for knowledge is a good one, we should always want to understand our surroundings better. Unless we unbind the shackles of guilt that the inequatable state of the world brings to us we will never reach the possiblity of a metaphysical change in our evolution. Or something.
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this is true. and this is why things like this are important becasue they ask questions, they make it okay to question, as the human race..DBoy wrote: the thirst for knowledge is a good one, we should always want to understand our surroundings better. Unless we unbind the shackles of guilt that the inequatable state of the world brings to us we will never reach the possiblity of a metaphysical change in our evolution. Or something.
man i watched so much stuff about S11 when i was in the states last (04) that it was hard not to beleive that there must be truth to at least some of the conspiracy theories.
we all know how google works, (ie top hits are number of visits etc) and if you try out the phrase 'the truth about S11" youll get five/ten pages of these conspiricies rather than any sort of objective explanation otherwise.
and this is not something the patriotic majority of america wants to think!
whichever angle is the truth, or elements of, both stories have left not just one or two countries, but a world behind desperate to protect themsevles, righteous and frightened.....
Ive actually had some friends get so obsessed with the myriad of conspiricies and fucked up things governments wordwide do on a regular basis that i just cannot speak to them about that stuff anymore.
and even had some flip out because once you start digging, even if they are half truths, it still scares the fuck out of you.
plus the conclusions drawn in the movie, generation of fear etc, tracking our movements etc, while a bit sensationalist, are already happening IMO.
i dunno, i guess not much surprises me anymore. the levels of fear and greed and lies. im not overly cynical, but i havent believed the "people in power" either political or religious (hang on, arent they...no wait...well..)
for a long time.
went to check out last night but movie is 3 hours so will have to wait for the weekendSoulWhiteMan wrote: almax
check this site out, it rips the film "loose change" to shreds.
http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/
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Finally saw Zeitgeist.
Very interesting doco indeed - cheers Al!
Gotta agree with the sentiments regarding Part I, verses the rest the flick though.
Whilst there were interesting anecdotes and points of fact throughout the whole movie, I did think that some of the 9/11 stuff was sensationalised a bit - particularly the whole "explosion" sample bit... way to drum some fear into people, I'm sure once a plane hits a building there would appear to be some sort of "explosion"...
But yeah, the Christianity/Judaism/religion Part I was awesome - although it's concerning to read that the film-makers have stated that: "Online encyclopedias or text book
Encyclopedias often do not contain the information contained in Zeitgeist" . So, some texts contradict, and some back up Zeigeist....
Once consipracy theories start getting thrown around it's hard to know who to believe and how to seperate the truth from the bullshit.
The central bank/international bankers theory was fascinating also, I've heard a bit about the Rockefeller's and Rothchild's before... but I don't get how they say the Central Bank LOANS money to the USA, and yet isn't the US Dollar OWNED by the US Government? I didn't think it was leased... what Government would setup their own bank and currency, only to instill some other, external company or corporation to run it?
A corrupt one perhaps.... dunno.
PS: Intro sucked balls.
PPS: LOVE that Hendrix quote.... "When the power of love overcomes the love of power... the world will know peace". Indeed.
Very interesting doco indeed - cheers Al!
Gotta agree with the sentiments regarding Part I, verses the rest the flick though.
Whilst there were interesting anecdotes and points of fact throughout the whole movie, I did think that some of the 9/11 stuff was sensationalised a bit - particularly the whole "explosion" sample bit... way to drum some fear into people, I'm sure once a plane hits a building there would appear to be some sort of "explosion"...
But yeah, the Christianity/Judaism/religion Part I was awesome - although it's concerning to read that the film-makers have stated that: "Online encyclopedias or text book
Encyclopedias often do not contain the information contained in Zeitgeist" . So, some texts contradict, and some back up Zeigeist....
Once consipracy theories start getting thrown around it's hard to know who to believe and how to seperate the truth from the bullshit.
The central bank/international bankers theory was fascinating also, I've heard a bit about the Rockefeller's and Rothchild's before... but I don't get how they say the Central Bank LOANS money to the USA, and yet isn't the US Dollar OWNED by the US Government? I didn't think it was leased... what Government would setup their own bank and currency, only to instill some other, external company or corporation to run it?
A corrupt one perhaps.... dunno.
PS: Intro sucked balls.
PPS: LOVE that Hendrix quote.... "When the power of love overcomes the love of power... the world will know peace". Indeed.
WOW!
http://infowarsforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=2952
^check that for a hardcore dismissal of Zeitgeist.
It's only one person's viewpoint (but so's Zeitgeist), but a damn interesting one...
http://infowarsforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=2952
^check that for a hardcore dismissal of Zeitgeist.
It's only one person's viewpoint (but so's Zeitgeist), but a damn interesting one...
Other points of interest in the doco for me:
The North American Union.... hmmm... just doesn't sound right that the USA would want Canada and in particular, Mexico to join their ranks. Sounds like someone may have been reading a little too much of Orwell's 1984. But who knows... it certainly gets you thinking...
The income tax thang - that "MOST" of your income tax (in the US) goes into paying off the interest on the money loaded to the Government.... seriously, perhaps it's true - but surely politicians, public servants, funding for the military, schools, hospitals and health care not to mention infrastructure upkeep and expansion has to come from somewhere.
And paying income tax isn't mandatory - as it's not an actual law in the USA? Well, if that's the truth, and if it holds up in court - then surely there's some whizz-bang lawyers and accountants who are exploiting the hell out of this loophole... why hasn't it crippled the US Government yet? Why hasn't it made front page news worldwide?
The North American Union.... hmmm... just doesn't sound right that the USA would want Canada and in particular, Mexico to join their ranks. Sounds like someone may have been reading a little too much of Orwell's 1984. But who knows... it certainly gets you thinking...
The income tax thang - that "MOST" of your income tax (in the US) goes into paying off the interest on the money loaded to the Government.... seriously, perhaps it's true - but surely politicians, public servants, funding for the military, schools, hospitals and health care not to mention infrastructure upkeep and expansion has to come from somewhere.
And paying income tax isn't mandatory - as it's not an actual law in the USA? Well, if that's the truth, and if it holds up in court - then surely there's some whizz-bang lawyers and accountants who are exploiting the hell out of this loophole... why hasn't it crippled the US Government yet? Why hasn't it made front page news worldwide?
Here's a film on the banking system in the states.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy-fD78zyvI
'This highly informative and easy to understand film covers just about everything that isn't taught in school regarding the corrupt banking system. It explains how these institutions get away with robbing the unsuspecting public by creating monetary policies designed to enslave society, while keeping the system in a perpetual state of rising debt.'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy-fD78zyvI
'This highly informative and easy to understand film covers just about everything that isn't taught in school regarding the corrupt banking system. It explains how these institutions get away with robbing the unsuspecting public by creating monetary policies designed to enslave society, while keeping the system in a perpetual state of rising debt.'