the news thread

ADD_Boy · Post by **ADD_Boy** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:28 pm

great article.

mixtress · Post by **mixtress** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:00 pm

ADD_Boy wrote:great article.

agree (it's also a little scary realising the protests are being seen as nothing but jealousy within China)

Post by **system** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:45 pm

you can get away with a lot in ireland.

J Gal · Post by **J Gal** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:59 pm

http://guillermohabacucvargas.blogspot.com/

Bought a tear to my eye... ridiculous what some people call art.

WARNING: depicts animal cruelty, images may offend

FoundationStepper · Post by **FoundationStepper** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:16 pm

reminds me of how jamie oliver killed a chicken on tele or somesuch, in the same fashion as is done in abitiors.

people got all upset. which was stupid in this case IMO - its was simply what goes on every day enmasse - but him doing it totally rasied the profile of the issue of how animals are killed

also reminds me of wildlife documentaries - thinking "why dont they save the poor animal from being eaten alive, or dying of sickness" or somesuch

not sold on the idea of the artwork presented but i guess thinking about art as something that can be conceptually challenging, or confronting, and changing attitudes around a topic, it could be viewed as a legitimate work by some.

is allowing one street animal (already with a death sentence) to die in a public setting that stimulates relfection on the situaiton of animals in a city worse than ignoring the issue, or 'fixing up' one animal when there are hundreds or thousands more?

[/devilsadvocate]

FoundationStepper · Post by **FoundationStepper** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:49 pm

also

there is a good chance this is a hoax (as in the artist didn't do this to the dog, but used a few photos and a story to get people thinking it was the case)

http://harmonicminor.com/2008/04/07/the ... rgas-hoax/

http://www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/vargas.asp

i wouldnt be forwarding emails on it for example

whether true or not (id be inclined to think not) i think the artist has achieved what he was after. publicity yes, but certainly lots of discussion. and perhaps highlighting the hypocracy of people inflamed about the possibility of one animal being mistreated, when they dont give a daily thought to the way street animals are controlled/helped, or other more sifnificant issues

The title associated with the work:
â€œYou are what you readâ€

Appropraite

Lizkins · Post by **Lizkins** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:54 pm

J Gal wrote:http://guillermohabacucvargas.blogspot.com/

Bought a tear to my eye... ridiculous what some people call art.

WARNING: depicts animal cruelty, images may offend

disgusting

FoundationStepper · Post by **FoundationStepper** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:55 pm

:kneejerk:

Lizkins · Post by **Lizkins** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:57 pm

what? my reaction?

FoundationStepper · Post by **FoundationStepper** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:01 am

yeah

"disgusting" was my first off, kneejerk reaction too -

but i guess (like im saying above) if this makes you, like 1000's of others out there, angry and disgusted at the artist - then its worth thinking again.

i think its interesting.

the blog J Gal linked is a cofused piece of work, panders to the emotional and irrational reaction i guess

FoundationStepper · Post by **FoundationStepper** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:03 am

the more i think about it the more i think its a great piece of art (given IMO the probability that no animal abuse or death occured)

Lizkins · Post by **Lizkins** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:10 am

i don't always think shock factors should cause people to start to care about things. I know people are stupid and need it, but doing extremes like this is just farked up imo. He could have gone to a lab and taken pictures and then had crying animal noises in the background playing. same impact. most people are looking away in the photos because they wouldn't be able to handle seeing a dog actually dying in front of them. yes? no?

then again the photographer could have been patient and waited for people to not be looking, for more impact.

FoundationStepper · Post by **FoundationStepper** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:15 am

Lizkins wrote:i don't always think shock factors should cause people to start to care about things. I know people are stupid and need it, but doing extremes like this is just farked up imo.

assuming the empassioned scraming of that blog is true. he could have had a dog in a gallery for 3 hours, a couple of days at a time, and fed it at other times.

Lizkins wrote:He could have gone to a lab and taken pictures and then had crying animal noises in the background playing. same impact.

totally disagree. we wouldnt be having this disucssion if thats what hed done. as i read it (in liklihood) the work is not just about the gallery installation, but how people read and react to the documentation of the installation.

Lizkins wrote:most people are looking away in the photos because they wouldn't be able to handle seeing a dog actually dying in front of them. yes? no? then again the photographer could have been patient and waited for people to not be looking, for more impact.

when you start thinking about things such as that, nothing much is certain

Lizkins · Post by **Lizkins** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:15 am

oppss just saw your other post with links!

if the artist was apparently feeding the dog, how come it looks so malnourished and beaten up, diseased around its eyes. i don't get it.

Lizkins · Post by **Lizkins** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:19 am

i dunno re. not having the same discussion. PETA do just that and mostly with photos, videos and education on the issues of animal cruelty. they got me thinking after reading a book. a book! simple! no dogs hurt in the process

FoundationStepper · Post by **FoundationStepper** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:25 am

if the dog is a street dog then it would have been already in that state. tying it up for a few hours doesn't really amount to much. (especially if he fed it afterwards/before)

PETA have published stuff for years, and are effective campaigners. but this work appears to have kicked off fury and discussion at levels you dont get from standard animal rights campaigns.

That said, i dont think the work is about awareness raising per se, id imagine its more about the way people would react and how this reflects the odd, selective way people view the world. (plus self promotion) its art, not campaigning.

C.I.A. · Post by **C.I.A.** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:35 am

Global food shortages??

Anyone??

Bueller??

mrj · Post by **mrj** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:46 am

I know

Food riots. Scary stuff.

I always thought that the begining of the end would be when we finally heard financial analysts saying "Get in to food. Foods very big right now".

Scary thing is thats finally happened.

deviant · Post by **deviant** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:05 am

buy guns, loot a supermarket..... get your mates together and build a fortress, hoard the food, learn to snipe, etc etc.....

sounds like fun huh?

mrj · Post by **mrj** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:48 pm

deviant wrote:buy guns, loot a supermarket..... get your mates together and build a fortress, hoard the food, learn to snipe, etc etc.....

sounds like fun huh?

unless zombie movies have lied to us.

deviant · Post by **deviant** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:16 pm

mrj wrote:
deviant wrote:buy guns, loot a supermarket..... get your mates together and build a fortress, hoard the food, learn to snipe, etc etc.....

sounds like fun huh?
unless zombie movies have lied to us.

lol, I love zombie movies....

but yeah, that's kinda how I see a food crsis... A whole bunch of really hungry people (zombies) willing to do anything (including kill) for food. I hadn't consiously drawn the comparrison though

mrj · Post by **mrj** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:55 pm

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/ ... 44552.html

The Age wrote:The laws will enable police to issue on-the-spot fines of $550 to anyone carrying spray paint cans if they cannot prove the paint is for work-related purposes

a more ridiculous concept I have not heard. fined $500 for carrying paint?

FoundationStepper · Post by **FoundationStepper** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:25 am

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/ ... 82081.html

connex officers bash man

deviant · Post by **deviant** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:36 am

nice

Smile on Impact · Post by **Smile on Impact** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:44 am

It's great !>

"Have you got a Ticket?"

"geeeez... Don't bash me, Dude!"

wicked !

deviant · Post by **deviant** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:05 pm

warney hit tram with his car....

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/ ... 87587.html

lol

Post by **huge** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:22 pm

stuck in an elevator for 41 hours

timelapse video

Polecat · Post by **Polecat** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 4:44 pm

FoundationStepper wrote:if the dog is a street dog then it would have been already in that state. tying it up for a few hours doesn't really amount to much. (especially if he fed it afterwards/before)

PETA have published stuff for years, and are effective campaigners. but this work appears to have kicked off fury and discussion at levels you dont get from standard animal rights campaigns.

That said, i dont think the work is about awareness raising per se, id imagine its more about the way people would react and how this reflects the odd, selective way people view the world. (plus self promotion) its art, not campaigning.

I got the email about the petition today and read your links posted further up in the thread.

http://www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/vargas.asp
Status: undetermined

I love modern art, but fail to see how a dog tied up in a gallery without a bowl of water is art. That is cruelty to me.

FoundationStepper · Post by **FoundationStepper** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 4:48 pm

or possibly the illusion of cruelty, for 3-4 hours. (sure, its not nice being without a drink for that time but its not barbaric)

art being art people do see a work in differnt ways. im not thinking about someone looking at the dog and reflecting on that, its the whole thing about the emotions it provokes and the reactions it brings. the thing under observation is almost ancillary

FoundationStepper · Post by **FoundationStepper** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 4:50 pm

of course, with any conceptual work, you can read into things much more than intended. however, the title of the work and the deliberately ambiguous comments from the artist suggest to me the work is not about what it was presented to be at face value.

Polecat · Post by **Polecat** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 4:57 pm

This link seems to best explain to me what happened and what the artist was aiming for. ...

http://arts.guardian.co.uk/art/news/sto ... 20,00.html

Polecat · Post by **Polecat** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:26 pm

http://www.theage.com.au/news/news/tour ... 26996.html

The irony of it all! Must be kiwis who have never done an OE who do these things, or stupid bastards. Not good tho...

FoundationStepper · Post by **FoundationStepper** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:34 pm

what do you mean by ironuc?

Kirts · Post by **Kirts** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 1:20 am

Wesley Snipes JAILED for three years and fined 5mil for tax evasion. Could not for link.

Post by **huge** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 1:33 am

lol

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/ ... 671886.ece

Post by **Friday** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:47 pm

holy shit:

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23608542-2,00.html

Post by **Friday** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:46 pm

good on em:
http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/st ... 29,00.html

deviant · Post by **deviant** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:29 pm

Friday wrote:holy shit:

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23608542-2,00.html

the world is a fucked up place

Lizkins · Post by **Lizkins** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:18 pm

deviant wrote:
Friday wrote:holy shit:

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23608542-2,00.html
the world is a fucked up place

i hope he is locked in a dark horrible cell for a long long time. farkin disgusting

Direkt · Post by **Direkt** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:21 pm

Disgraceful story.

What a cruel, horribly demented man.

To the slammer for the rest of your years you fuck - if only you were younger.

FoundationStepper · Post by **FoundationStepper** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 1:17 pm

something tells me hes gonna have a rough time in prison...

nic · Post by **nic** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:58 pm

mum injects baby with poo -

http://www.news.com.au/mercury/story/0, ... 40,00.html

Charlie73 · Post by **Charlie73** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:00 pm

Friday wrote:holy shit:

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23608542-2,00.html

Burn in hell you filthy disgusting farken fark fark CARHNT

FoundationStepper · Post by **FoundationStepper** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:34 am

Law reforms for gay couples

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/ ... 61987.html

great what changing the government can do

Direkt · Post by **Direkt** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:30 am

FoundationStepper wrote:Law reforms for gay couples

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/ ... 61987.html

great what changing the government can do

Yay! A positive news story - bigups Rudd!

ADD_Boy · Post by **ADD_Boy** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:41 am

yeah I was pretty sceptical when Rudd was coming into office.

Don't mind him so much at all. He's done some good stuff.

Post by **JAMESSSS** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:05 pm

What's with this Taxi strike rubbish?

If they want to strike they should stay at home or rally like normal people, not block up the roads, bus and tram lines.

C.I.A. · Post by **C.I.A.** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:07 pm

jbs wrote:What's with this Taxi strike rubbish?

If they want to strike they should stay at home or rally like normal people, not block up the roads, bus and tram lines.

No-one fucks with Jazz Randyboy.

Post by **JAMESSSS** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:39 pm

I thought the point was people might fuck with Jazz Randyboy?

ADD_Boy · Post by **ADD_Boy** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:32 pm

OMFG !! Read the age article:

"There are also suggestions the protesters will mobilise, take off their clothing for effect and march on Parliament House."

That's gonna be funny stuff. LOL!!