I have heard from a few different people, that Andy C has all his plates at certain BPM and thats how he can mix so fast. I don't think this is true myself, what he does is not impossible but requires a lot of skill. I would like to here what other think of this, if they have heard anything at all.
So what do others think?
Is Andy C a cheat?
Andy C ... A cheat?
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I understand what plates are jbs. I probably wasn't too detailed in my response though.jbs wrote:He means getting other producers tunes and cutting them to acetate at a different BPM to what they were orginally.Guyno wrote:Alot of producers make tunes at a preferred BPM. I dunno if i'd call it cheating.
I just don't really see the issue with either producing your own tunes or if you can be fucked and can afford to recut others at a particular speed. I think that basic beatmatching would be like breathing for a dj like Andy C anyway so it would be a bit suprising that he'd need to imo.
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well for starters I have never heard this about Andy, but he wouldnt be alone... a lot of big name [mostly producers] do this. Andy however is an awesome dj, I am sure he can mix anything in, despite the BPM. The boy has skills.
One thing is for sure, Ray Keith doesn't... hahah, 3 train wrecks in a row last time I saw him, you'de have to be pretty bad to loose a mix that was set at the same BPM. hahahah
there is a particular Aust crew who must have taken a leaf out of Andys book. bwahahah.
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One thing is for sure, Ray Keith doesn't... hahah, 3 train wrecks in a row last time I saw him, you'de have to be pretty bad to loose a mix that was set at the same BPM. hahahah
there is a particular Aust crew who must have taken a leaf out of Andys book. bwahahah.
Word just in, 2 real djs known as Loxy and Ink are coming to Australia ssssh, May next year! BOH! actually make that DOUBLE BOH!
Good goss thread. hahah
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Yea look when he played here in melb last NYD and i was front and centre loosing my shit, someone whispered that in my ear too, and it shattered me. Too think andy c cheats no way couldnt be, cant be, hes da man etc...
Anyways i stood there and watched him for a bit - You would assume if all his dubs were cut at lets say 170 then he wouldnt need the pitch at all, just slap a plate on and cue it up. But i stood there and watched and he sure as hell was using the pitch - not much but he still was.
Hes been doing it long enuff that you would think its second nature to beatmatch. But seriously there is so much more to DJ'in than beatmatching. OBVISOULY u need to beatmatch first - but what about tune selection - and knowing when to drop a tune.
Is it possible for one man (Or GOD) to pull off that many double drops - Yes it is....Just check Keirs AUTOMATE cd that he was giving out a while ago.
If he does cheat he'll never admit to it - The only real way to find out is to get a proper VIDEO FOOTAGE of him playing somewhere - check DnB Arena they have loads of andy c video sets.
I still think hes a GOD among DJ's and nothing will change my mind.
Anyways i stood there and watched him for a bit - You would assume if all his dubs were cut at lets say 170 then he wouldnt need the pitch at all, just slap a plate on and cue it up. But i stood there and watched and he sure as hell was using the pitch - not much but he still was.
Hes been doing it long enuff that you would think its second nature to beatmatch. But seriously there is so much more to DJ'in than beatmatching. OBVISOULY u need to beatmatch first - but what about tune selection - and knowing when to drop a tune.
Is it possible for one man (Or GOD) to pull off that many double drops - Yes it is....Just check Keirs AUTOMATE cd that he was giving out a while ago.
If he does cheat he'll never admit to it - The only real way to find out is to get a proper VIDEO FOOTAGE of him playing somewhere - check DnB Arena they have loads of andy c video sets.
I still think hes a GOD among DJ's and nothing will change my mind.
cant see how it could make a difference anyway, anyone who can mix well should knows it takes only 5 - 10 seconds to get records in time to the point where you might need to work the platter a little.factory worker wrote:It would be interesting to see him play some one else's crate of records though.
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I think what ppl are reffering to is the fact that he can pull it off in 1 sec. Like he'll have a brand new smashing pendulum dub on which we all know are made pretty fast then somehow in a split second he lines up some old jungle tune, i dont know like valley of the shadows or somthing and they just blend right in - You try it at home and sometimes one tunes at +8 and the other wont even fit at -8 pitch..shepherd wrote:how can you call it cheating - it takes about 10 secs tops to cue a record to the right bpm.
There is no denying the man has skills tho.
what.a.fucking.legened.
All bout his tune selection anyways
Wot about levels? He's got alot of cuting between tunes & layering goin on wif a couple of tunes goin at once. We all know how messy it can sound even if it is perfectly in time when two tunes are goin at once but both tunes are pretty busy brake wise + with two arguing basslines.....and then cuing up another tune ontop of this which is obviously wots goin on. I think its all about knowing your tunes really well.
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sounz like you need some 1210's m8Fents wrote:I think what ppl are reffering to is the fact that he can pull it off in 1 sec. Like he'll have a brand new smashing pendulum dub on which we all know are made pretty fast then somehow in a split second he lines up some old jungle tune, i dont know like valley of the shadows or somthing and they just blend right in - You try it at home and sometimes one tunes at +8 and the other wont even fit at -8 pitch..shepherd wrote:how can you call it cheating - it takes about 10 secs tops to cue a record to the right bpm.
There is no denying the man has skills tho.
what.a.fucking.legened.
All bout his tune selection anyways
good fun for mixin old wit newi reckon beatmatching on the pitch can be done is 1-3 secs no probz,
you know I really haven't thought about it, but you have a point here. maybe he does cut plates at the same bpm, so that he can do this well... hmmm, either way though, it makes for an awesome power set. I am not the biggest Andy fan, but lord o mighty that boy can drop a dope set. He knows how to work a crowd thats for sure...into a frenzy! That is a skill in itself.Fents wrote:I think what ppl are reffering to is the fact that he can pull it off in 1 sec. Like he'll have a brand new smashing pendulum dub on which we all know are made pretty fast then somehow in a split second he lines up some old jungle tune, i dont know like valley of the shadows or somthing and they just blend right in - You try it at home and sometimes one tunes at +8 and the other wont even fit at -8 pitch..shepherd wrote:how can you call it cheating - it takes about 10 secs tops to cue a record to the right bpm.
There is no denying the man has skills tho.
what.a.fucking.legened.
All bout his tune selection anyways
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Why would 1210's help my cause?D-finna wrote:sounz like you need some 1210's m8Fents wrote:I think what ppl are reffering to is the fact that he can pull it off in 1 sec. Like he'll have a brand new smashing pendulum dub on which we all know are made pretty fast then somehow in a split second he lines up some old jungle tune, i dont know like valley of the shadows or somthing and they just blend right in - You try it at home and sometimes one tunes at +8 and the other wont even fit at -8 pitch..shepherd wrote:how can you call it cheating - it takes about 10 secs tops to cue a record to the right bpm.
There is no denying the man has skills tho.
what.a.fucking.legened.
All bout his tune selection anyways
i reckon beatmatching on the pitch can be done is 1-3 secs no probz,
Heh, sorry.Guyno wrote:I understand what plates are jbs. I probably wasn't too detailed in my response though.jbs wrote:He means getting other producers tunes and cutting them to acetate at a different BPM to what they were orginally.Guyno wrote:Alot of producers make tunes at a preferred BPM. I dunno if i'd call it cheating.
I seem to remember Andy C looking really "busy" last time I saw him - If he cut all plates at the same speed then wouldn't the only correct to the pitch fader be the orginal one to correct any turntable drift?
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yeah. blew my mind at the espy when he does that shit with switching tunes back and forth, jsut the basslines, then back. highs, whatever. fucken nuts.Zero Hour wrote:Wot about levels? He's got alot of cuting between tunes & layering goin on wif a couple of tunes goin at once. We all know how messy it can sound even if it is perfectly in time when two tunes are goin at once but both tunes are pretty busy brake wise + with two arguing basslines.....and then cuing up another tune ontop of this which is obviously wots goin on. I think its all about knowing your tunes really well.
dunno about his selection tho!
i wanna hear him to a drumfunk set.
Personally i don't know how people can say Andy C is a cheat, sometimes i'm on fire at home, double drops, teases, switching basslines etc and all around good mixes but thats not very often and i'm not even a good DJ imo and have been doing it for almost 3 years now when Andy C has been doing it for at least 3 times longer.
i think its a gr8 feature, really depends how you utilise it. never used to be able to mix music is the key with new calibre stuffjbs wrote:+/- 16 is a joke.D-finna wrote:errr, sorry~ 1210 MK5 with the +16 pitch,
Tunes sound so bad all streched out or squashed up
lotta older tunes runs out of pitch at 165 on + 8 decks, this way you can boost them to 170 if ya want,
each to their own
I know what you mean, but one of my personal hates is jungle plus too much.D-finna wrote:i think its a gr8 feature, really depends how you utilise it. never used to be able to mix music is the key with new calibre stuffjbs wrote:+/- 16 is a joke.D-finna wrote:errr, sorry~ 1210 MK5 with the +16 pitch,
Tunes sound so bad all streched out or squashed up
lotta older tunes runs out of pitch at 165 on + 8 decks, this way you can boost them to 170 if ya want,
each to their own
Fucks with all the freqencies.
Didital turntables go some way to fixing this tho I beleive? Anyone?
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if true, it prolly wouldn't bring andy c down from god status for me, for reasons detailed above.
in my limited experience, it's easy to remember the speeds of most of your records. if you spin them enough, it just becomes part of putting the record on the deck. any matrix tune i put on gets shifted to +6, high contrast to +4, etc. i don't even think about it anymore.
in my limited experience, it's easy to remember the speeds of most of your records. if you spin them enough, it just becomes part of putting the record on the deck. any matrix tune i put on gets shifted to +6, high contrast to +4, etc. i don't even think about it anymore.
Well said, rumours are made up about me all the time.... but it don't phaze me...D wrote:Andy C is a fucken ledgen, nuff said!
Rumours only start because there are some that can't handle not being so fucken great as he is! So rumours are made up to try and damage a person's rep, it's just a sad fact/trait to being human.
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Rumours only start because there are some that can't handle not being so fucken great as he is! So rumours are made up to try and damage a person's rep, it's just a sad fact/trait to being human.
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in the long run what does it matter?
hes still a badass dj.
that new years set was killer.
the only set my gf (who likes dnb but isnt really a fan) has seen that she has absolutely loved. and uses as the benchmark for all the djs ive taken her out to see since.
hes still a badass dj.
that new years set was killer.
the only set my gf (who likes dnb but isnt really a fan) has seen that she has absolutely loved. and uses as the benchmark for all the djs ive taken her out to see since.
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