New licence for DJs to format shift music
New licence for DJs to format shift music
DJs are the latest targets in the war against illegal copying of published music.
ARIA the Australian Recording Industry Association has set up a new licence to let DJs format shift their music to use at gigs.
Yep, they need to pay a licence fee to copy music they already own legally to their iPods, laptops, or compilation CDs.
Criminal penalties for DJs involved in music piracy are up to sixty thousand dollars and 5 years imprisonment. There are also on-the-spot fines of over one thousand dollars.
For more info ::
www.aria.com.au
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This is so many levels of wrong!
ARIA the Australian Recording Industry Association has set up a new licence to let DJs format shift their music to use at gigs.
Yep, they need to pay a licence fee to copy music they already own legally to their iPods, laptops, or compilation CDs.
Criminal penalties for DJs involved in music piracy are up to sixty thousand dollars and 5 years imprisonment. There are also on-the-spot fines of over one thousand dollars.
For more info ::
www.aria.com.au
Media Release from MIPI
This is so many levels of wrong!
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Triple J's 'Hack' program did a thingy on this: http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/hack/notes/s2230819.htm
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I thought this was an april fool's joke at first, it was announced right around that time.
What a load of fucking bullshit. $800 is probably more than I'd earn in a year from DJing - there's no way in hell I'd pay for this. I'm already paying for my tracks off Beatport, DJDownload etc. Why should I fork out $800 for this as well? Is this meant to be targetting DJs that play pirated music? If so, they're punishing all the legitimate DJs too. And explain to me how playing MP3s off a laptop, which you downloaded directly from Beatport/DJDownload, would constitute a format change? Hell, how does a data CD full of MP3s being played on CDJs constitute a format change? I don't think it would hold up in court.
DJ Format's opinion...
http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/hack/note ... 576906.mp2
Anyone actually know of anybody that has this license?
Anyone ever heard of the APRA police making surprise appearances at nightclubs?
What a load of fucking bullshit. $800 is probably more than I'd earn in a year from DJing - there's no way in hell I'd pay for this. I'm already paying for my tracks off Beatport, DJDownload etc. Why should I fork out $800 for this as well? Is this meant to be targetting DJs that play pirated music? If so, they're punishing all the legitimate DJs too. And explain to me how playing MP3s off a laptop, which you downloaded directly from Beatport/DJDownload, would constitute a format change? Hell, how does a data CD full of MP3s being played on CDJs constitute a format change? I don't think it would hold up in court.
DJ Format's opinion...
http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/hack/note ... 576906.mp2
Anyone actually know of anybody that has this license?
Anyone ever heard of the APRA police making surprise appearances at nightclubs?
Re: New licence for DJs to format shift music
How is it illegal copying?Stray wrote:DJs are the latest targets in the war against illegal copying of published music.
Or do they mean NOW it's illegal copying?
Doesn't Beatport (or provider) or the artists publishing company have anything to do with this (ownership of media)?
Sounds ridiculous, as the whole point of LEGAL digital downloads from sites such as Beatport is that you now OWN the media.
Are they only targetting DJ's? Or everyone who downloads?
APRA can get fucked if this is for real. I'm all up for supporting artists, I pay for my stuff legally - but this is just crazy talk.
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What a typical bullshit money grabbing stunt from Apra, we pay for the record/cd/wav file, the question should be why isn't that money making it back to the artist, or does Apra exec's need a new tennis court added to the mansions ?
As many working dj's spend atleast a couple of hundred dollars nearly every week when going record shopping, we now need to find an extra $800 for a licence to play what we already bought...WTF ????
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As many working dj's spend atleast a couple of hundred dollars nearly every week when going record shopping, we now need to find an extra $800 for a licence to play what we already bought...WTF ????
BITE MY HAIRY LEFT NUT BIARCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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This is actually really clever on ARIA's part.
My interpretation of what they are saying is:
My interpretation of what they are saying is:
So, you've downloaded this music you intend to DJ with. Legally you can't shift formats. How about you give us some money and we'll give you a license which allows you to do this inside these (very limited) bounds.
Wouldn't that be good?
Oh we will also be going after people without the license. You might go to jail. We realise people with the license will almost certainly be in violation of the law as well because our list of labels is really only majors, but [nudge nudge wink wink] look at all the ones that are.
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of course you'd say that Mr I-work-in-a-record-shopJoe Seven wrote:exactly - just buy vinyl and you'll be ok...worked for everyone a few short years ago - why not now?
isnt't that like having a few white labels?Joe Seven wrote:I think its a good thing - sure, some people buy digital downloads legally but most dont - and even the ones that do will almost always have a few illegal mp3s in their harddrive / cd wallet.
How can you think it's a good thing Joe?
Other than the fact that it will discourage people from buying legit digital downloads and perhaps entice them to buy more vinyl?
Even if you ripped all your shit illegally, paying the license doesn't mean your illegally obtained material is all of a sudden legal...
I can't see how it's going to persuade people to buy legal downloads over ripping illegal downloads.
Most legal downloaders will just say "fuck APRA, I'm going to do my own thing anyway".
If it was just about curtailing illegal downloaders - why don't APRA just ask for receipts to be kept from legal purchases, or something similar?
It's nothing short of another money grabbing exercise.
Other than the fact that it will discourage people from buying legit digital downloads and perhaps entice them to buy more vinyl?
Even if you ripped all your shit illegally, paying the license doesn't mean your illegally obtained material is all of a sudden legal...
I can't see how it's going to persuade people to buy legal downloads over ripping illegal downloads.
Most legal downloaders will just say "fuck APRA, I'm going to do my own thing anyway".
If it was just about curtailing illegal downloaders - why don't APRA just ask for receipts to be kept from legal purchases, or something similar?
It's nothing short of another money grabbing exercise.
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I think the result of this will be that a very small percentage of successful Australian DJs who play more commercial stuff and are concerned they might be checked up on by APRA will buy the license.
Everyone else will ignore APRA's bullshit, and if APRA actually come knocking on smaller DJ's doors and say you need a license, the DJ can just go and talk to the individual labels (who I'm sure will give permission when explained the situation and based on the utter stupidity of the license.)
How are they even going to know what tracks you played anyway, unless the club kept a record? It sounds like they don't want to throw out fines straight away - they're willing to give DJs the chance to "make it right" and get the license or contact the individual labels.
So in all honesty I don't think this is going to be a very big deal.
Everyone else will ignore APRA's bullshit, and if APRA actually come knocking on smaller DJ's doors and say you need a license, the DJ can just go and talk to the individual labels (who I'm sure will give permission when explained the situation and based on the utter stupidity of the license.)
How are they even going to know what tracks you played anyway, unless the club kept a record? It sounds like they don't want to throw out fines straight away - they're willing to give DJs the chance to "make it right" and get the license or contact the individual labels.
So in all honesty I don't think this is going to be a very big deal.
WTF and who the fuck? you have over 4,000 posts and ive never noticed you here! lolBlaxter wrote:Play vinyl, or your music you have produced yourself.
That will kill the Trance scene nicely.
Did you just change your avatar or sumting?
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This is doing absolutely nothing to target piracy.Joe Seven wrote:exactly - just buy vinyl and you'll be ok...worked for everyone a few short years ago - why not now?
I think its a good thing - sure, some people buy digital downloads legally but most dont - and even the ones that do will almost always have a few illegal mp3s in their harddrive / cd wallet.
It is targeting people who copy copyrighted media for professional use (ie: any digital DJ really) which is illegal under Australian law (there is an exemption for personal use to make a backup or put on an ipod etc..)
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man knows..Joe Seven wrote:exactly - just buy vinyl and you'll be ok...worked for everyone a few short years ago - why not now?
I think its a good thing - sure, some people buy digital downloads legally but most dont - and even the ones that do will almost always have a few illegal mp3s in their harddrive / cd wallet.
or u could also use serato, fuck the system!!
ah seenStray wrote:lolalmax wrote:WTF and who the fuck? you have over 4,000 posts and ive never noticed you here! lolBlaxter wrote:Play vinyl, or your music you have produced yourself.
That will kill the Trance scene nicely.
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I bet everyone who doesnt like this idea has illegal mp3's on their computer or on their cd's. downloading shit of soulseek is nothing like getting a tp or promo set to you from a label, artist or distro.
What motivated you all to stop playing vinyl in the first place when the digital medium came in? yep thats right, cash money - it was cheaper and soulseek etc is even cheaper still, so to get all up in arms about "fuck apra" and "its just a money grabbing excercise" is a bit rich when the switch from vinyl to mp3 is in itself a "money grabbing" excercise by your good selves.
And yeah i feel strongly about it because i work in a record store - but at the same time, i dont make a commision from any records i sell and i dont own the shop so i have no financial interest in how much vinyl goes out the door. It was the best thing since sliced bread for all of you before mp3's /cdj's came in - now its not and the only reason for that is more money in your pockets at the end of the week.
Thats all good and fine - but dont get so upset when labels, artists and their agents or representatives start asking for some money back too.
What motivated you all to stop playing vinyl in the first place when the digital medium came in? yep thats right, cash money - it was cheaper and soulseek etc is even cheaper still, so to get all up in arms about "fuck apra" and "its just a money grabbing excercise" is a bit rich when the switch from vinyl to mp3 is in itself a "money grabbing" excercise by your good selves.
And yeah i feel strongly about it because i work in a record store - but at the same time, i dont make a commision from any records i sell and i dont own the shop so i have no financial interest in how much vinyl goes out the door. It was the best thing since sliced bread for all of you before mp3's /cdj's came in - now its not and the only reason for that is more money in your pockets at the end of the week.
Thats all good and fine - but dont get so upset when labels, artists and their agents or representatives start asking for some money back too.
Joe Seven wrote:I bet everyone who doesnt like this idea has illegal mp3's on their computer or on their cd's. downloading shit of soulseek is nothing like getting a tp or promo set to you from a label, artist or distro.
What motivated you all to stop playing vinyl in the first place when the digital medium came in? yep thats right, cash money - it was cheaper and soulseek etc is even cheaper still, so to get all up in arms about "fuck apra" and "its just a money grabbing excercise" is a bit rich when the switch from vinyl to mp3 is in itself a "money grabbing" excercise by your good selves.
And yeah i feel strongly about it because i work in a record store - but at the same time, i dont make a commision from any records i sell and i dont own the shop so i have no financial interest in how much vinyl goes out the door. It was the best thing since sliced bread for all of you before mp3's /cdj's came in - now its not and the only reason for that is more money in your pockets at the end of the week.
Thats all good and fine - but dont get so upset when labels, artists and their agents or representatives start asking for some money back too.
It's a blatant money grabbing exercise which is being presented as a way of stopping piracy when it does nothing at all to do this.
A law change to allow format shifting for DJ use in the same way that is allowed for personal use would be much more appropriate.
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charge more for mp3s, build the cost in as a sales tax...
I aint lining major label's pockets with my $800 per year.
for me mp3s are about access to more tunes, conveniece and yeah, money.... but there are other factors.... I
would be more than happy to pay more per tune than some bullshit license to use what I already purchased for the intent it was meant.
do beatport and the others sell mp3s so that people can only listen to them off their PC at home??? I don't reckon.
I aint lining major label's pockets with my $800 per year.
for me mp3s are about access to more tunes, conveniece and yeah, money.... but there are other factors.... I
would be more than happy to pay more per tune than some bullshit license to use what I already purchased for the intent it was meant.
do beatport and the others sell mp3s so that people can only listen to them off their PC at home??? I don't reckon.
I've been buying mp3's from bleep for the last two years. I've also digitised my entire CD collection. I use Traktor because I like the possibilities that the software allows. I can never go back to CDJs now and as for vinyl, I never really cared that much about it in the first place. I don't play vinyl, I play music.
And script to everything Deviant said.
And script to everything Deviant said.
Whoa there Nelly!Joe Seven wrote:I bet everyone who doesnt like this idea has illegal mp3's on their computer or on their cd's. downloading shit of soulseek is nothing like getting a tp or promo set to you from a label, artist or distro.
What motivated you all to stop playing vinyl in the first place when the digital medium came in? yep thats right, cash money - it was cheaper and soulseek etc is even cheaper still, so to get all up in arms about "fuck apra" and "its just a money grabbing excercise" is a bit rich when the switch from vinyl to mp3 is in itself a "money grabbing" excercise by your good selves.
And yeah i feel strongly about it because i work in a record store - but at the same time, i dont make a commision from any records i sell and i dont own the shop so i have no financial interest in how much vinyl goes out the door. It was the best thing since sliced bread for all of you before mp3's /cdj's came in - now its not and the only reason for that is more money in your pockets at the end of the week.
Thats all good and fine - but dont get so upset when labels, artists and their agents or representatives start asking for some money back too.
I PAY for my shit legally. I pay the price agreed to by the distro and record label, who owns the tune produced by the producer.
I have every right to complain about APRA, who have fuck all to do with the production and/or distribution of said tune, if they wanna "cash in" on something that has bugger all to do with them.
I'd much prefer to buy tunes on wax mate - MUCH.
If I earnt a decent wage, or if I received decent income from playing said tunes out (DJ'ing), then perhaps I could justify spending 10 times the amount on my preferred medium (vinyl). But unfortunately I don't.
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You sure do, and you're obviously heavily jaded - you've watched the death of vinyl kill your sales as the digital format and decentralized sales have slowly taken over. Coming from a producer, DJ, and label owner, I find your opinion - that anyone who's gone digital MUST BE pirating - is about as offensive and ignorant as the new APRA licence.Joe Seven wrote:I bet everyone who doesnt like this idea has illegal mp3's on their computer or on their cd's. downloading shit of soulseek is nothing like getting a tp or promo set to you from a label, artist or distro.
What motivated you all to stop playing vinyl in the first place when the digital medium came in? yep thats right, cash money - it was cheaper and soulseek etc is even cheaper still, so to get all up in arms about "fuck apra" and "its just a money grabbing excercise" is a bit rich when the switch from vinyl to mp3 is in itself a "money grabbing" excercise by your good selves.
And yeah i feel strongly about it because i work in a record store