talk.google.com

saintberry · Post by **saintberry** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 2:23 pm

talk.google.com

for all those with gmail.com accounts get this. its waaaayyy less spammy than msn and just google good.

plus if you have broadband you get free internet phonecalls. im testing it out now, its not bad, bit laggy but pretty much like a regular landline...freeeee

edit: hope this hasnt been posted =_=

shepherd · Post by **shepherd** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 2:57 pm

it's average and years behind msn and yahoo imo.

Post by **JAMESSSS** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:01 pm

shepherd wrote:it's average and years behind msn and yahoo imo.

Any reasons?

Post by **JAMESSSS** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:03 pm

You can grab your contacts from gmail seamlessly, that is a good feature

saintberry · Post by **saintberry** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:03 pm

haha, yeah i spose you could look @ it like that. or that its just got way less RAM hogging features that are pointless and a more a pain in tha ass than a "feature"

*sends shepherd a nudge!*

msn rocks!

=_=

but really google is worth it just for the intersnet phone feature

shepherd · Post by **shepherd** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:06 pm

clumsy interface

no emoticons - yeah i know it doesn't matter but many people find this important.

no users - this will change obviously. But IM lives and dies by its reach.

lack of integration - with msn you can search for flights/jobs/music/info in the window - same with yahoo ... with google you can't do anything else.

no personality - IM has become highly personal with avatars and meego's and whatever else ... google is plain so you can't express your personality through it.

Post by **JAMESSSS** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:08 pm

shepherd wrote:clumsy interface

no emoticons - yeah i know it doesn't matter but many people find this important.

no users - this will change obviously. But IM lives and dies by its reach.

lack of integration - with msn you can search for flights/jobs/music/info in the window - same with yahoo ... with google you can't do anything else.

no personality - IM has become highly personal with avatars and meego's and whatever else ... google is plain so you can't express your personality through it.

I like the simple interface, but good points

From past project movement I think they will all come around soon enough

saintberry · Post by **saintberry** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:09 pm

shepherd wrote:clumsy interface

no emoticons - yeah i know it doesn't matter but many people find this important.

no users - this will change obviously. But IM lives and dies by its reach.

lack of integration - with msn you can search for flights/jobs/music/info in the window - same with yahoo ... with google you can't do anything else.

no personality - IM has become highly personal with avatars and meego's and whatever else ... google is plain so you can't express your personality through it.

man, i rkn all the above stated make it a much better IM.

lets just call it the n00b free IM, ill be happy with that

oh shit, i just used an emoteicon =_= hehe each to their own

shepherd · Post by **shepherd** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:14 pm

IM is massive with 10-17 yo's and it's feeding msn good $$$ ... this is the audience people are making money from ... how will google tap into this market and try and realise their over the top perceived market value.

It's great it's simple but I think people like msn and yahoo and the fact they do have a lot of bells and whistles they may/may not use

this will stay in beta for 12-24 months - it won't work for google until they become more than a search engine and start doing content. They can't make money off it under the current model.

saintberry · Post by **saintberry** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:21 pm

shepherd wrote:IM is massive with 10-17 yo's and it's feeding msn good $$$ ... this is the audience people are making money from ... how will google tap into this market and try and realise their over the top perceived market value.

as far as im aware that demographic also make a fuck load of phone calls.

but yes true, and i would agree with what you have said about the people that use MSN. i for one am looking for an alternative to the spammy nature of it and dont like putting up with its bullshit. so for users such as me, google has really hit the nail on its head.

Post by **JAMESSSS** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:24 pm

There are a lot of computer geeks who don't use IM for the reasons (and demographic) you mentioned.

Post by **lynt** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:25 pm

Trillian.

Unbloated, ad free, pure discussion (on MSN/Yahoo/AOL/ICQ/IRC networks across the planet).

Free.

shepherd · Post by **shepherd** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:28 pm

i think comp geeks are the minority - google aren't trying to hit this audience, the geeks love them already.

the VOIP PC to PC thing isn't really changing the world - it's a slow burn. Google are the third to enter this (after Yahoo and MSN) which isn't going to do much for their innovator status.

When VOIP goes PC to phone like Skype (who incidentally have been named as a potential Google takeover target) then it will go crazy.

saintberry · Post by **saintberry** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:29 pm

Trillian, man, im going to restrain hard from flaming that proggie - dont know why but ive never been a fan. some pople go nuts over it tho.

GAIM is what id use if i wanted something all in one like trillian, its a linux port, well cut down and uses next to no resources.

saintberry · Post by **saintberry** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:31 pm

shepherd wrote: the VOIP PC to PC thing isn't really changing the world - it's a slow burn. Google are the third to enter this (after Yahoo and MSN) which isn't going to do much for their innovator status..

agreed, but being a nerd the quality of google over MSN (havent signed into yahoo for about 4years) is well woth it.

Post by **lynt** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:33 pm

saintberry wrote:Trillian, man, im going to restrain hard from flaming that proggie - dont know why but ive never been a fan. some pople go nuts over it tho.

GAIM is what id use if i wanted something all in one like trillian, its a linux port, well cut down and uses next to no resources.

I can dig, though I like it, it serves its purpose, plus it doesnt bother me will bullshit. A few memory leaks here and there, but nothing an upgrade wont fix.

shepherd · Post by **shepherd** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:34 pm

yahoo owns them all and their staff are completely awesome.

i use msn, yahoo and aim - i really should use trillian but i love ads so much I need 3 different IM's to serve them to me.

Post by **lynt** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:35 pm

Post by **lucas** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:36 pm

Trillian is great. I love it.

I was more than happy to give those guys my money.

No mac version though.

shepherd · Post by **shepherd** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:40 pm

i had trillian but the cracked version I got stopped working after a while.

funnily enough it was I only had an msn login!

How will google apply Adwords to IM??? It'd be even more creepy than gmail already is if when you typed a sentence to an IM buddy it came up with google adwords based on your sentence.

Post by **lynt** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:40 pm

shepherd wrote:i had trillian but the cracked version I got stopped working after a while.

funnily enough it was I only had an msn login!

How will google apply Adwords to IM??? It'd be even more creepy than gmail already is if when you typed a sentence to an IM buddy it came up with google adwords based on your sentence.

Just like Trillian does with Wikipedia I assume...?

saintberry · Post by **saintberry** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:42 pm

we so need a nerds thread...haha whatever happend to that coding one =_=

PahMaLa · Post by **PahMaLa** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:43 pm

lucas wrote:Trillian is great. I love it.

I was more than happy to give those guys my money.

No mac version though.

Darn there is hardly any messenger thingees for macs, my msn refuses to connect even though its meant to be THEE mac version and the lastest one

Post by **system** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:58 pm

lucas wrote:Trillian is great. I love it.

I was more than happy to give those guys my money.

No mac version though.

Adium is good.

deviant · Post by **deviant** » Fri Aug 26, 2005 2:14 am

I always used jabber (winjab) for years until I discovered trillian and I've never looked back... I love the lack of ads and spammy stuff. I HATE bells and whistles that only serve advertising and the like. Yahoo and msn started to shit me about 6yrs ago...

I'll give the gtalk thing a go, I like the looks of it, yet to see if it's gunna be useful though

cobbernuts · Post by **cobbernuts** » Fri Aug 26, 2005 9:37 am

I use Miranda another multiplatform messenger, allows access to all including googletalk.

saintberry · Post by **saintberry** » Fri Aug 26, 2005 12:23 pm

i was a mirandia user for about a year before i got sick of it....its a top piece of software (the shell) but alot of the plugins are pretty poorly coded.

sweet that you can customize absolutely anything about it tho...even the menus!

sneaky hands · Post by **sneaky hands** » Fri Aug 26, 2005 1:08 pm

http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0, ... _tophead_2

LÃ³s Kasinoâ€” · Wed Feb 08, 2006 1:08 am

Gmail Chat is up....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4688410.stm

Rob M · Post by **Rob M** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 1:57 am

chat on a webpage is pretty dodgy imo. unless your a net cafe nerd like peter griffin.

Post by **fooishbar** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:12 am

and now they're properly gating it to the rest of jabber too! about bloody time.

valuetime · Post by **valuetime** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 8:00 am

shepherd wrote:this will stay in beta for 12-24 months - it won't work for google until they become more than a search engine and start doing content.

i reckon that's the main reason why google works (as a search engine). they recognise that you're looking for sites other than their own, and don't try to keep you on theirs.

Fents · Post by **Fents** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 8:40 am

Trillian

Post by **system** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:53 am

repost:

lucas wrote:Trillian is great. I love it.

I was more than happy to give those guys my money.

No mac version though.

Adium is good.

apophenian · Post by **apophenian** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:58 am

shepherd wrote:clumsy interface

no emoticons - yeah i know it doesn't matter but many people find this important.

no users - this will change obviously. But IM lives and dies by its reach.

lack of integration - with msn you can search for flights/jobs/music/info in the window - same with yahoo ... with google you can't do anything else.

no personality - IM has become highly personal with avatars and meego's and whatever else ... google is plain so you can't express your personality through it.

Well though I agree that the interface is rather plain, the cool thing about google chat is that it uses the jabber protocol, which is open source, meaning there is lots of other software that you can use to access it, like psi. Google has always been about simple interfaces anyway.
In addition, google has bought a 5% share in America Online, meaning that Google chat will also be able to connect with AIM users.
As for integration, it seems to me that msn is becoming more and more like bloatware, trying to be everything for everyone - whats wrong with using your browser for searching - all they are really trying to do is lock you into using their own services..

deviant · Post by **deviant** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 1:03 pm

apophenian wrote:
shepherd wrote:clumsy interface

no emoticons - yeah i know it doesn't matter but many people find this important.

no users - this will change obviously. But IM lives and dies by its reach.

lack of integration - with msn you can search for flights/jobs/music/info in the window - same with yahoo ... with google you can't do anything else.

no personality - IM has become highly personal with avatars and meego's and whatever else ... google is plain so you can't express your personality through it.
Well though I agree that the interface is rather plain, the cool thing about google chat is that it uses the jabber protocol, which is open source, meaning there is lots of other software that you can use to access it, like psi. Google has always been about simple interfaces anyway.
In addition, google has bought a 5% share in America Online, meaning that Google chat will also be able to connect with AIM users.
As for integration, it seems to me that msn is becoming more and more like bloatware, trying to be everything for everyone - whats wrong with using your browser for searching - all they are really trying to do is lock you into using their own services..

jabber is the bomb.... I was a big fan (until I found trillian)... I liked the server-side interface rather than trillain's client-side interface. Pity none of the client software packages were up to sratch at the time (they may be now I haven't looked for years). I used winjab for ages until it stopped working