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saintberry · Post by **saintberry** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:01 am

Hahaha thats gold. I totally forgot it was even happening.

Re the AI in Gears, yeah it is way impressive. I feel its more advanced in Rainbow Six Vegas tho. Those terrorists are sneaky! Could just be a perception though.

Have you finished it on insane yet?

And for those with crackdown has anyone got the free runner achievement? I've got 3 orbs left and can't find them anywhere :'(

mecka · Post by **mecka** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:28 am

lol @ ps3.

Stray · Post by **Stray** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:47 am

saintberry wrote:Hahaha thats gold. I totally forgot it was even happening.

Re the AI in Gears, yeah it is way impressive. I feel its more advanced in Rainbow Six Vegas tho. Those terrorists are sneaky! Could just be a perception though.

Have you finished it on insane yet?

And for those with crackdown has anyone got the free runner achievement? I've got 3 orbs left and can't find them anywhere :'(

Nah, I haven't finished insane yet.. am up to the bit with the theron guards.

mecka · Post by **mecka** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:13 pm

http://kotaku.com/gaming/ps3-launch/aus ... 246437.php

lol.

Post by **fooishbar** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:23 pm

mecka wrote:http://kotaku.com/gaming/ps3-launch/aus ... 246437.php

lol.

http://www.ukresistance.co.uk

that entire site is lolz. plus they fanboy the dc and sonic team and all things sega, so more power to them. so yeah, read the front page and laugh your arse off at ps3, then read the archives and just laugh your arse off.

<3 uk:r

Stray · Post by **Stray** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 1:04 pm

Apparently the BBC is Sony's bitch

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6474045.stm

Stray · Post by **Stray** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 1:32 pm

Stray wrote:Apparently the BBC is Sony's bitch

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6474045.stm

Although they tried to hype it up they still revealed that only 100 people bought ps3's! Even though they were giving away HD TV's with them!!

mecka · Post by **mecka** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 1:38 pm

methinks nail in the coffin

Stray · Post by **Stray** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 1:42 pm

mecka wrote:methinks nail in the coffin

It's a shit start.. but Sony has a ten year plan for the ps3.

It will still be selling when people have forgotten about the wii.

Dark Lord Piddle Bottom · Fri Mar 23, 2007 2:25 pm

mecka wrote:methinks nail in the coffin

Na because everyone knows the price has to drop and then it should be worth it.

Post by **huge** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 2:31 pm

i'll get one in a few years maybe.

mecka · Post by **mecka** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 2:34 pm

realistically speaking does Sony have the monetary resources to keep making a loss on each unit like Microsoft does?

Rob M · Post by **Rob M** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 2:41 pm

I read somewhere Nintendo is making a profit on the Wii's sold -- Hardware-wise.

Good job to turn things around.

AO is waiting for the XBOX760 next-gen to drop in a couple years.

...Holographics media FTW!

saintberry · Post by **saintberry** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:09 pm

mecka wrote:realistically speaking does Sony have the monetary resources to keep making a loss on each unit like Microsoft does?

Like M$ does... no, but they still have a fuck load of money. Trouble with Sony is their brand is cut up into hundreds of smaller offshoots. Like Sony Pictures, Sony BMG etc etc, so each (including Sony Computer Entertainment) gets a smaller piece of the pie.

Its less evident with M$. M$ Game Studios is much more integrated into the entire company.

The PS3 will do well in the long run, I don't think there is much question about that.

Its interesting the looking at parallels between PS2 vs Xbox and Xbox 360 vs PS3. Launching first seems to have a big advantage.

mecka · Post by **mecka** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:17 pm

yeah so Sony gave away 46" HDTVs in the UK with every PS3 sold at one of their launch events.

250,000 pounds worth of goods given away apparently.

Rob M · Post by **Rob M** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 10:12 am

I hope Sony releases a PS2 slimline Okami/God of War package for $50...

..."I'd buy that for a dollar" /robocop

saintberry · Post by **saintberry** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 2:21 pm

hehe What M$ did outside of the Paris PS3 launch

Post by **lynt** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:16 am

Death of the General Purpose CPU

saintberry · Post by **saintberry** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:13 am

Yeah I read about that a few days ago ^ interesting stuff.

Fuck though, 200w for a PS3 under load (I'm assuming thats JUST the CPU). Thats disgusting. It should be fucking banned if thats a true representation of its power consumption. The xbox360 draws about 160w under load (for all components though) and that too is way poor form.

In this day and age companies really need to start addressing the efficiency of their products, I personally would pay more for this shit if it was easier on the environment.

A lot more work need to go into PCs tapping into the number crunching potential of GPUs. Those things are beasts when it comes to floating point calculations, apparently carnts to program for though.

Post by **lynt** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:37 am

IBM said its prototypes can transmit 160 gigabits of data per second -- reducing the download time for a feature-length high-definition video from 30 minutes to one second.

The only thing about this high speed transfer technology, is who's harddrive can write 160GB per second?

Am I wrong?

fikuss · Post by **fikuss** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:24 am

i played on a sega master system II once

saintberry · Post by **saintberry** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:25 am

I doubt this would ever be in the hands of the end user. More for network backbones and the like.

Cisco have are router that can theoretically transfer 100tbps on silicon based tech. When all your doing is routing billions of packets down hella pipes you can achieve shit like that.

Post by **lynt** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:35 am

I hear ya. But think forward. We weren't supposed to have computers this mad when considered in the 1970's. Now look!

Mellogs · Post by **Mellogs** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:49 am

get me a VPN plsthxbai

Rob M · Post by **Rob M** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:29 pm

lynt wrote:I hear ya. But think forward. We weren't supposed to have computers this mad when considered in the 1970's. Now look!

...it's the MATRIX!

Post by **system** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:09 pm

lynt wrote:IBM said its prototypes can transmit 160 gigabits of data per second -- reducing the download time for a feature-length high-definition video from 30 minutes to one second.

The only thing about this high speed transfer technology, is who's harddrive can write 160GB per second?

no-ones, using current technology. the likely errors would require a new approach to file handling at a core level alone.

lynt wrote:Am I wrong?

no. storage has gotta get to solid state and become far, far cheaper too.

saintberry wrote:I doubt this would ever be in the hands of the end user. More for network backbones and the like.

spot on. would hate for a router running at that speed to start losing packets, though. :\

lynt wrote:I hear ya. But think forward. We weren't supposed to have computers this mad when considered in the 1970's. Now look!

whaddaya mean, everything is based around 1970's style operating systems now!

Post by **lynt** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:11 pm

True.

Post by **fooishbar** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:36 pm

meh, general-purpose cpu's aren't going away, ever. looking inside the n800, the hardware which i'm most intimately familiar with:
* one arm cpu
* one dsp
* one arm-based wireless chip (i.e. general-purpose cpu, programmed with firmware)
* specialised chips for usb, bluetooth, lcd scanout, fm radio

that's a pretty decent general:specialised ratio.

looking inside my desktop, we have two extremely powerful general-purpose processors in the athlon64 and the radeon r580. the r580 happens to be a shitload better at vector ops than the athlon64, but it's still a frighteningly capable general-purpose processor.

now, the cell's approach to parallelism is interesting, something sun did with niagra as well. unfortunately niagra was more or less a disaster because people who buy solaris still want to run oracle. but it's a pretty cool idea, nonetheless.

but i really don't think general-purpose is dying: cell is a general-purpose processor which happens to be extremely good at folding. before that, gpgpu was kicking arse on folding, iirc. the cell also isn't that specialised ... it's just another type of cpu, albeit one with a very interesting design (but so was the itanium).

as they note in that entry, it's so complex because it's so arbitrarily programmable. indeed, it is to dsps and fpus what ben cousins is to normal football players.

put another way: if it wasn't general-purpose, we'd still have the same fixed-function pipelines we had with the r2xx and early nv cards. the exponential explosion in transistor count has come with the same explosion in programmability and complexity in shaders, both vertex and fragment.

edit: a lot of words, even after i decided to just stop writing at one point because i was waffling, and i still didn't even manage to say: they are general-purpose cpus, they're just fucking good at vector ops and number-crunching in general. a modern-day itanium, right down to the power consumption.

Post by **fooishbar** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:38 pm

system wrote:whaddaya mean, everything is based around 1970's style operating systems now!

walnut/the hurd/plan 9 will save us all!

Post by **lynt** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:43 pm

say it again!

Post by **fooishbar** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:46 pm

lynt wrote:say it again!

sorry, i can't, i've got to go shovel the snow.

oh no, wait, that's a total lie -- it was 16C yesterday, and i was wearing a t-shirt, shorts, and sandals.

Post by **lynt** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:50 pm

Post by **system** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:01 pm

fooishbar wrote:
system wrote:whaddaya mean, everything is based around 1970's style operating systems now!
walnut/the hurd/plan 9 will save us all!

XNU loves everyone.

Post by **fooishbar** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:06 pm

system wrote:
fooishbar wrote:
system wrote:whaddaya mean, everything is based around 1970's style operating systems now!
walnut/the hurd/plan 9 will save us all!
XNU loves everyone.

xnu loves no-one at all. seriously, read that.

this is what handles your every key press.

Post by **system** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:08 pm

fooishbar wrote:
system wrote:
fooishbar wrote: walnut/the hurd/plan 9 will save us all!
XNU loves everyone.
xnu loves no-one at all. seriously, read that.

this is what handles your every key press.

there was an inherent level of sarcasm in my post.

(I've got far too much familiarity with the I/O headers of Darwin.

)

Post by **fooishbar** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:10 pm

i'm so sorry.

(says the x input maintainer. uuuggghhh. thanks sgi.)

Post by **system** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:15 pm

Post by **huge** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:40 pm

you guys....

mecka · Post by **mecka** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:44 pm

black xbox 360s with HDMI output and 120gb hdds are coming

Stray · Post by **Stray** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:51 pm

mecka wrote:black xbox 360s with HDMI output and 120gb hdds are coming

As far as I've heard that's just a rumour..

Rob M · Post by **Rob M** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:21 am

ICEMAN COMETH!

Post by **fooishbar** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:22 am

huge wrote:you guys....

you're just jealous.

Post by **huge** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:27 am

yes. :lookaround:

i should have command and conquer 3 tomorra hopefully. although i get about 10 minutes a week to play games these days boo.

mecka · Post by **mecka** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 1:25 am

huge wrote:yes. :lookaround:

i should have command and conquer 3 tomorra hopefully. although i get about 10 minutes a week to play games these days boo.

can ur puter even run cnc 3?

gotta go get stalker & cnc 3 tomorrow methinks. big spending week coming up.

Post by **lynt** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:40 am

huge wrote:yes. :lookaround:

i should have command and conquer 3 tomorra hopefully. although i get about 10 minutes a week to play games these days boo.

7.5gb, SIF!

Got stalker, haven't played it though.

saintberry · Post by **saintberry** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:07 am

Stray wrote:
mecka wrote:black xbox 360s with HDMI output and 120gb hdds are coming
As far as I've heard that's just a rumour..

Agreed. It has been confirmed by M$ they are getting the 65nm chip and HDMI though.

HDMI is crap anyway. DVI-D + Toslink || S/PDIF any day.

Dark Lord Piddle Bottom · Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:25 am

Finally Microsoft caved and are sending me a new 360 + new live subscription, all i had to do was lodge the court papers against the pricks!!!

Post by **huge** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:40 am

mecka wrote:
huge wrote:yes. :lookaround:

i should have command and conquer 3 tomorra hopefully. although i get about 10 minutes a week to play games these days boo.
can ur puter even run cnc 3?

gotta go get stalker & cnc 3 tomorrow methinks. big spending week coming up.

no! but the point is i will HAVE IT!

hheheheheheehhe.

(man i need to upgrade) actually i just need a new gfx card.

Post by **system** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:43 am

Bring on Paper Mario & Super Mario Galaxy.

Post by **huge** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:52 am

paper mario looks so freaking cool