wtf is going on this summer?

deviant · Post by **deviant** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 10:46 am

Eric Pryds cancels his tour

hot bbq cancelled (among others)

earthcore - need I say more

seems like everyone is experiencing some level of fail........ we need 33 1/3 breakbeat BBQ back imo... I miss that party sooooo much.

Smile on Impact · Post by **Smile on Impact** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 10:48 am

you are

Gliding High · Post by **Gliding High** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 10:58 am

It's a simple answer.
Dance music as a whole has shat itself.

There is no longer any lure to seeing a completely untalented person spin other peoples music badly.
Plus, the drugs aren't a tenth as good as they used to be.

Also, overkill from promoters - Eg: A person can only see the Stanton Warriors or Raja Ram so many times in a given time frame before shit starts to get old.

And when dance music is as ugly as this (See link below), I'm grabbing my guitar, and tuning into Gold 104.3

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=WKCqQIe6shA

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 11:00 am

hai boys!
im at work, its poo!

i have to say i predicted this months ago dan, the bubble has burst! just like housing prices.

but i have faith that out of the ashes comes new stuff, new crews, new tactics, new styles...

it just might be the next gen tho, some of us are too old and jaded to see/make it happen...

emo and indie are already over, so wait for the kids who are 12 now to turn 18!!

EDIT > and everything gliding high said.

Blaxter · Post by **Blaxter** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 11:05 am

I've been going to see bands most of this year.
Rock'n'roll will get ya home by 3am.
Having said that I have been impressed by warehouse parties and the efforts of BBA's production values.

deejaypcp · Post by **deejaypcp** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 11:12 am

since when did you go home b4 3am?

deejaypcp · Post by **deejaypcp** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 11:15 am

Having said that, I've been having more fun playing bass than searching for the latest break no-one has mashed together with Madonna or daft punk.
But, I'm earning a living from djing. Well a fair one, it's paying the bills / rent / food / vices ok. How much more can I diss it before it bites me in the arse?

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 11:19 am

Blaxter wrote: Having said that I have been impressed by warehouse parties and the efforts of BBA's production values.

thats what i mean, more underground stuff as the commercial bubble has fucked itself...

and more crews like BBA who do what they love and what they know and dont mess with their ideals/formulae to please the masses..

more of all that please universe.

Blaxter · Post by **Blaxter** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 11:25 am

PCP - have another look, I wrote - will get ya home - no implication that included myself actually taking that option.

GK - agreed - tonight is full proof of underground crews throwing wikkid parties.

Gliding High · Post by **Gliding High** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 11:30 am

Hey mate..
Can you just run off a quick list of good underground parties tonight...
I'm throwing up what to do, and getting totally mashed is on the cards

Blaxter · Post by **Blaxter** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:15 pm

That I know of......

BRUTAL
Tekno Mulisha/ FEAR
Flash Rave
Secret Richmond Warehouse Party

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:16 pm

flash rave ala cuznmatt?

Robot Rod · Post by **Robot Rod** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:42 pm

Locals FTW..........

Its a pitty other people dont see it that way.

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:53 pm

well im geting some flak for this soooo

ghetto kitty wrote: i have to say i predicted this months ago dan, the bubble has burst! just like housing prices.

disclaimer > ghetto kitty is responsible for her own point of view only, and forever.
i do have an opinion about most everything, but do NOT know everything (thank fuck) and am more than willing to admit im wrong or change my mind at any time.
could be casue im american, so use that as a reason to hate me if youd like one.

HAPPY NEW YEAR, to all the haters and lovers.

Blaxter · Post by **Blaxter** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 1:13 pm

Needs more flak jacket?

deviant · Post by **deviant** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 1:30 pm

Internatties are becoming less and less viable.... way to exxy to get them here... We've missed tons this year just because we couldn't justify the price tag tbh.

best party we did was local anyways.

eN · Post by eN » Wed Dec 31, 2008 2:17 pm

wtf is going on this summer? My questions is 'where the fuck IS summer?'

It has barely cracked 20 most of this month.... weak!

obliveus · Post by **obliveus** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 2:17 pm

ghetto kitty wrote:could be casue im american, so use that as a reason to hate me if youd like one.

I got yer back though.

Post by **Friday** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 2:55 pm

deviant wrote: we need 33 1/3 breakbeat BBQ back imo... I miss that party sooooo much.

we had one planned for nye this year. plans all in place til some stuff fell through and guess what... cancelled!

Blaxter · Post by **Blaxter** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 3:17 pm

Would of been sick if PE were playing the breakbeat BBQ along with some dubstep and jungle DJ's.

Smile on Impact · Post by **Smile on Impact** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 4:07 pm

canceling parties is the new black and black is the new slagging people off.
and deleting threads is also, the new slagging people off
and slagging people off, is the new fishing.

discuss.

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 4:10 pm

i fish and i vote? i dont fish but fents does.
black is the old emo and the new fluro.
slagging is the new spitting, but online! YAY!
deleting threads is what happens when you dont get to be a cop, or even a parking inspector.

aaaarlo likes aaardvarrrks

discuss

Blaxter · Post by **Blaxter** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 4:14 pm

Forum whoring is the new work.
Inspecting parks is the old policing.
Moderation refers to drinking booze and eating food.
Drinking booze is the new freedom.

Don't discuss.

Smile on Impact · Post by **Smile on Impact** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 4:18 pm

Blaxter wrote:......

Don't discuss.

I like what you did there.

It was unexpected.

the old switcharoo !

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 4:19 pm

man, if we cant discuss, where do we go from here?

ITM?

Blaxter · Post by **Blaxter** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 4:21 pm

We do what we're good at.
Write what we shouldn't and have strong opinions about why we articulate our point of view.

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 4:23 pm

im good at arguments.

and spanakopita, and burritos.

deviant · Post by **deviant** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 6:16 pm

I'm good at drinking Gin.... onto my second bottle of tanqueray since being back

mmmmmm

menace · Post by **menace** » Thu Jan 01, 2009 2:28 am

cheaper pingzas make the world go round tbh ........

2

happy new years too you all

SoulWhiteMan · Post by **SoulWhiteMan** » Thu Jan 01, 2009 11:10 am

Dan, to answer your question quite simply:

The Australian dollar lost over 30% of its value.

All of a sudden, artist fees, in either US or EURO dollars increased by 30%.

That's the real reason hot bbq got amalgamated with summerdayze (rather than 'cancelled') imho.

People are forgetting that Summadayze, Sensation etc sell fuckloads of tickets.

Want "underground" music tonight?

$15 gets you into Sunny Lounge tonight, La di daa,

Phil K, Rollin Connection, Gavin Keitel, Simon Baker (UK), Mike Callendar.

FIFTEEN DOLLARS
LESS WITH GUESTLIST ACTION!

We have some of the most talented tech/prog producers and dj talent on the entire globe.

People in Europe (even the FRENCH!) would give their left arm to be able to see Phil K etc with some regularity.

Darkbeat are putting on killer parties and Pretty Simple and the Likes of you are going from strength to strength.

Shit, even my good friends who put on Ostara this year sold 1,000 tickets - and this was ALL local talent. One thing that this event made me realise, is that if you put on something wih honest passion, you will get a great outcome.

Happy New year.
This is a financial situation, not indicative of the entire scene.
"Breaks" may be in decline, but prog/mnml/tech are going through a second renaissance.

Lighten up everyone.

Happy New year

PS

SoulWhiteMan and Deb back in Melbourne indefinitely.

shepherd · Post by **shepherd** » Thu Jan 01, 2009 3:42 pm

exactly what is happening now happened in 2001 - ... big expensive parties dropping serious dollars (like the GCSSS and Welcome 2001), too much supply in terms of music choice, venue choice, internationals and a dive in demand relatively quickly, as well as shitty wider economic issues all compounding into lower attendances, greater risk, bigger losses.

What seemed to happen then was
- less big parties but better big parties
- better parties full stop regardless of scale - no more cookie cutter approach, interesting production, acts etc
- new bars/clubs opening and offering something different
- cost of internationals via agents coming down - buyers market to the benefit of local party organisers
- promoters looking to use different venues - 6 years ago a dance party at the espy for instance was as foreign a concept as you could imagine
- new blood in terms of djs, acts, agents etc
- more thought into the drawing power of international talent - ie, better research into sales/awareness/history ... instead of booking acts based on a location there was more thought into size of market/demand etc

Generally you find in music the industry is cyclical and things do repeat themselves ... I don't think it'd be too much of a stretch to imagine some of the above will happen again.

Baddums · Post by **Baddums** » Thu Jan 01, 2009 7:19 pm

we've got FREE local dubstep(and some future beats) at HEAVY INNIT!! this month...

youthful_implants · Post by **youthful_implants** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 7:32 pm

Its because people are borrowing money they cant afford to lose to throw unrealistic nights.

If there was more business sense, credible advertising and less hype with no substance everyone would benefit.

Dance music was never meant to be a commercial media, and yet its the global explosion of the internet and worldwide emigration of whole scenes that has allowed to come this far.

The breaks and drum and bass scenes in Spain, and Russia are bigger than they have ever been anywhere else at any point in time. They are thriving beyond belief.

Dubstep and Grime in the UK is pretty much the biggest selling urban genre out there, and yet Trance continues to outsell every other genre in Dance music in every country in the world.

The problem for labels is essentially piracy and the decline of vinyl sales, but trends are moving quickly towards favouring the digital future of DJing and also open up more scope for creativity and diversity. I think we're going to see the scene evolving hugely over the next couple of years, parties that don't stick to a single genre but very greatly in tempo and content giving punters better value for money. Its all symptomatic of the bubble bursting as Kitty said but I think the future looks rosy for those with the imagination and savvy to do it differently, embrace new technology and harness the huge market that is Generation Y.

I also wanted to add that there has been a kind of DJ backlash in the commercial media and you're seeing a lot of kids being turned on to live music again, gettiing into real bands playing real instruments, and yet a lot of them will progress from there toward electronic music as some stage and will stick to it. Not because of drugs, not necessarily because of parties but because of the way it captures real emotion and soul and conveys imagery which will inspire their imagination.

This is nothing I haven't seen before I dont think, it happened in London with the collapse of the free party scene a long time ago. The new wave of electro and house music has spawned a staggering number of hybridised parties there and I reckon thats what will happen here.

ctoafn_DMZ · Post by **ctoafn_DMZ** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:56 am

^^^ In regards to Russia, there is a lot of dirty money involved in electronic music over there. You expect a lil bit of it but not to the extent you could imagine over there. The budgets they spend on their gigs are enormous but they have more than one source of income than just the door sales. We cant compete with that down here.

But they do get interesting stuff getting mainsream promo - darkside filth DNB on Russian MTV which is pretty darn cool. Couldn't imagine Tech Itch or Dylan doing a TV show spot on Australian MTV but they do in Russia every time.

*catalyst · Post by *catalyst » Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:56 pm

Wow I can't believe Eric Prydz has such a problem with flying. He must *really* have an issue, I feel sorry for the dude.

a1studmuffin · Post by **a1studmuffin** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 11:27 am

youthful_implants wrote:I also wanted to add that there has been a kind of DJ backlash in the commercial media and you're seeing a lot of kids being turned on to live music again

This is a good point, I think a lot of Gen Y has tried to define themselves from older generations by rejecting the things they like... which would also explain their dress sense.

a1studmuffin · Post by **a1studmuffin** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 11:30 am

deviant wrote:we need 33 1/3 breakbeat BBQ back imo... I miss that party sooooo much.

Couldn't agree more!

Post by **system** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 11:57 am

a1studmuffin wrote:
youthful_implants wrote:I also wanted to add that there has been a kind of DJ backlash in the commercial media and you're seeing a lot of kids being turned on to live music again
This is a good point, I think a lot of Gen Y has tried to define themselves from older generations by rejecting the things they like... which would also explain their dress sense.

back on nye, 40,000 people at telstra dome seemed to be into fat rave.

all the kids are dressing circa 1983-87 anyway - not much of a rejection stance.

kronz · Post by **kronz** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 12:07 pm

system wrote:

all the kids are dressing circa 1983-87 anyway

Hugh has come up with the best name for them...PREMO

Way too cool to be Emo but just as wak.

I think they all look like tools, tight pants, shit jackets and glasses that are just stupid!

Your Sincerely

The Hip High Priest of Fashion.

Blaxter · Post by **Blaxter** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 12:18 pm

I'd say dressing up in 80's is defiant if your parents are from the 90's.

Post by **huge** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 12:36 pm

kronz wrote:Hugh has come up with the best name for them...PREMO

lol wasnt me. i think it was nic lol.

Fents · Post by **Fents** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 12:50 pm

*catalyst wrote:Wow I can't believe Eric Prydz has such a problem with flying. He must *really* have an issue, I feel sorry for the dude.

KRS one has never been to Australia cause he wont fly apparently. Someone was going to get him on a boat out here but it would of taken 6-8 weeks. The day he comes out here is the day my life really begins.

Blaxter · Post by **Blaxter** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 12:54 pm

Fents wrote:
*catalyst wrote:Wow I can't believe Eric Prydz has such a problem with flying. He must *really* have an issue, I feel sorry for the dude.
KRS one has never been to Australia cause he wont fly apparently. Someone was going to get him on a boat out here but it would of taken 6-8 weeks. The day he comes out here is the day my life really begins.

Full on. I didn't realise that he was scared of flying. Think Big Bud had issues there too.
Irony is they probably like to get high.....just not on a plane.

ghetto kitty · Post by **ghetto kitty** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 12:59 pm

the reason HMC hardly ever plays out of SA is casue of fear of flying too.

Blaxter · Post by **Blaxter** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 1:02 pm

needs more zanax

ctoafn_DMZ · Post by **ctoafn_DMZ** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 1:09 pm

Blaxter wrote:needs more zanax

Some of the guys we've brought out really dont like the long flights, Val's or Xanax always fix it, every single time.

Hypnosis would be an easy fix for it I reckon.

Blaxter · Post by **Blaxter** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 1:15 pm

.... your getting sleepy!

ctoafn_DMZ · Post by **ctoafn_DMZ** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 1:20 pm

Speaking of summer, how awesome is it outside today..................!!!

Blaxter · Post by **Blaxter** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 1:23 pm

I wouldn't know. Trapped inside a city building on the 21st floor.
Getting back to the hypnosis things - seems that it was pretty succesful in getting you to stop listening to breaks.

spiral · Post by **spiral** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 1:27 pm

Fents wrote:
*catalyst wrote:Wow I can't believe Eric Prydz has such a problem with flying. He must *really* have an issue, I feel sorry for the dude.
KRS one has never been to Australia cause he wont fly apparently. Someone was going to get him on a boat out here but it would of taken 6-8 weeks. The day he comes out here is the day my life really begins.

seen him in london for stop the violence tour
maybe long flights he dont like